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  • #76
    Chrome moly steel kart frames crack because they act as the suspension so they have to flex to a fairly significant degree - the same happens (albeit more slowly) with steel bicycle frames. In both cases, a mild steel frame that could handle the loads would be far too heavy for competition.
    A strut brace should be made stiff enough not to flex much else it is non-functional. The difference in weight between mild steel and chrome moly steel versions may not be significant, though, as the brace acts in compression so the wall thicknesses needs to be high enough to prevent buckling. A carbon fibre cross bar could be made both light and strong enough but the cost may be prohibitive (though the lay up would be pretty simple).

    Glass in brakes doesn't sound likely since it is an excellent insulator and aluminium alloys soften at brake rotor operating temperatures. Still, it wouldn't surprise me too much if some interesting breakthoughs have been made.
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    • #77
      Chromo wouldn't be that stressed. Yes it is a bit more brittle than mild steel but it's nothing to worry about. All good race cars and components are made from Chromo. I have been involved in karting for a while and I have chromo karts that are 10+ years old and still going with no repairs to cracks or anything like it. In saying that mild steel may well be used simply for cost effectiveness if the performance gain with Chromo is negligible...

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      • #78
        Originally posted by gavs View Post
        One of the guys at work used to build karts and the chassis made from chromoly had to be thrown out after 1 season due to the metal cracking.
        Did he heat treat the frames after welding? Not doing this guarantees failure around the welds and not normalising after welding makes this happen faster.

        Bicycles made from chrome moly don't have quite the same issues since they are brazed with brass or silver so the steel doesn't get heated to the same temperatures (though the areas around the lugs are never as strong as the rest of the tubing).

        BTW Has anyone here used camber bolts on their 9N3 or have there been bad issues with them?
        Last edited by kaanage; 16-06-2011, 10:28 AM.
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        • #79
          I was considering using them as I've only managed to get 2 degrees neg on the front with the strut tops. I need just a touch more. Has anyone got any figures as to what degree of neg they produce?

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          • #80
            Originally posted by kaanage View Post
            BTW Has anyone here used camber bolts on their 9N3 or have there been bad issues with them?
            I know Pedders sell them, i might go in and have a chat to them about it
            MODS- TOO MANY

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            • #81
              Originally posted by clubracer View Post
              I was considering using them as I've only managed to get 2 degrees neg on the front with the strut tops. I need just a touch more. Has anyone got any figures as to what degree of neg they produce?
              What strut tops are they?
              MODS- TOO MANY

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              • #82
                Originally posted by clubracer View Post
                I was considering using them as I've only managed to get 2 degrees neg on the front with the strut tops. I need just a touch more. Has anyone got any figures as to what degree of neg they produce?
                Hoyhoy.

                Seb I believe thats the name, correct or not.
                Anyway heres what I have custom made some time ago now.
                Thats the drivers side & where it is in the pic. it gives me -2degrees which I use for the street, if I move it to the bottom of the pic., it puts it back to standard of -1degree with a little bit of extra castor.
                Then for the track I move it to the top of the pic. it gives me -3.2degrees, hope thats helps ya.
                P.S. Those pillow ball bearings you see there are aircraft production which I'm replacing at the moment @ $300.00 for the pair, because there is a small clicking going on, I hope I'm right.

                Last edited by Eddy; 16-06-2011, 07:42 PM.
                Hooroo.

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                • #83
                  awesome engineering, make me feel like a little kid the way I play...

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                  • #84
                    My coilovers are from D2. The tops were different so I had to get some more made. To be honest I haven't had them out of the car to look at them although will be doing that at next service to check everything over.

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                    • #85
                      Since this is the current trackday thread in this forum,
                      I can get the following tyres for almost the same money
                      • Toyo RE888
                      • Dunlop DZ03G
                      • Bridgestone RE55
                      What do people think is the pick of these 3 as track tyres (maybe the very occasional cruise)?
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by kaanage View Post
                        Since this is the current trackday thread in this forum,
                        I can get the following tyres for almost the same money
                        • Toyo RE888
                        • Dunlop DZ03G
                        • Bridgestone RE55
                        What do people think is the pick of these 3 as track tyres (maybe the very occasional cruise)?
                        Dunlops i would say, cause they are cool, not that you care about being cool greg, just hardly anyone rocks the Dunlops, I have had some Dunlop LM901 on a integra i had, only experence with Dunlops, and it was a good one
                        MODS- TOO MANY

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                        • #87
                          Isn't sitting tall like a Polo Cross, covered in road grime, bird poop and brake dust, with standard aerial, kiddy seat in the back, suction cup window shades and skinny tyres on 14" rims cool?
                          Resident grumpy old fart
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                          • #88
                            Either the RE55's or the Dunlops, don't even consider the R888's.
                            2008 VW Polo TDi
                            GIAC | REMSA | PD160 | DECAT | MUFFLERECTOMY | ECS | SUPERPRO | PXL KIWI WIFI | 312mm BRAKES | OZ RACING | KUMHO V70A
                            To Buy: VNT 17/22 or K3 Turbo | R783 Nozzles | Intercooler | Water meth kit.

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                            • #89
                              Ah yes, the aids thing
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                              • #90
                                Exactly
                                2008 VW Polo TDi
                                GIAC | REMSA | PD160 | DECAT | MUFFLERECTOMY | ECS | SUPERPRO | PXL KIWI WIFI | 312mm BRAKES | OZ RACING | KUMHO V70A
                                To Buy: VNT 17/22 or K3 Turbo | R783 Nozzles | Intercooler | Water meth kit.

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