K04 - Which one and how much?

[mikepologti]

I caught a thread on Turbo comparisons last night, was interesting. From there I discovered this:

http://frankenturbo.com/intro.html

If you are up for a read of the thread I was reading, its here

Some interesting insight from Slappy, looks like an interesting product he's put together.

I'm assuming as this turbo's flow is quite different to many others, it would need a custom map?

nice find man , that thread is a good read and that c r turbos company seems to be the dux nuts too. interestingly in there product catalogue they have upgardes for 1.9tdi polos but not normal polo gtis. good news for you oiler boys out there.

[mikepologti]

on second thaughts , i just read the complete thread these guys sound a lil dodgy.

[xtturbo]

on second thaughts , i just read the complete thread these guys sound a lil dodgy.

Frankenturbo looks good though - awesome price point too.

[slappy_dunbar]

Frankenturbo looks good though - awesome price point too.

Darned straight! One of you guys needs to find a dealer/tuner who wants to try one of these.

[xtturbo]

Darned straight! One of you guys needs to find a dealer/tuner who wants to try one of these.

Hahaha, if you want someone to be head of the fan club in Australia Slappy, I'd be up for being a guinea pig over here!

I was thinking APR Stage 2 would run well.

[noone]

Hahaha, if you want someone to be head of the fan club in Australia Slappy, I'd be up for being a guinea pig over here!

I was thinking APR Stage 2 would run well.

Already offered mate, have been talking to Gavin and a few others.

APR is not designed to work with turbo's other than the ones they supply (don't have to get it from them).

Biggest concern is the other parts you need, depending on which tuner you speak with, would not be hard to spend another thousand (or a few) just on supporting mods:
Injectors
Fuel Pressure regulator
Exhaust manifold / intake gasket.
Fuel Pump
Intercooler
Dump pipe / exhaust / decat
TIP / Seat intake / pod filter
Clutch / Flywheel / Diff (LSD)
3" maf housing
intake manifold
pistons / gaskets
diverter valve
suspension mods are a whole different issue (front swaybar set to hard helps).

Exactly what you "need" and what is "advisable" depends who you are talking to.

[Petrina Polo]

Ive been told by reputable tuners not to bother.. You will get almost no extra power and increased lag..

I also have spoken to a person who installed a K04 and they were underwelmed.

I strongly considered this when i owned mine.. looked under every rock for info and decided against it.

[slappy_dunbar]

APR is not designed to work with turbo's other than the ones they supply (don't have to get it from them).

A modestly-uprated hybrid like the F4h will work fine with any off-the-shelf map. APR's K04-001 works great, especially in any car which has a vTune compatible ECU.

Biggest concern is the other parts you need, depending on which tuner you speak with, would not be hard to spend another thousand (or a few) just on supporting mods:
Injectors
Fuel Pressure regulator
Exhaust manifold / intake gasket.
Fuel Pump
Intercooler
Dump pipe / exhaust / decat
TIP / Seat intake / pod filter
Clutch / Flywheel / Diff (LSD)
3" maf housing
intake manifold
pistons / gaskets
diverter valve
suspension mods are a whole different issue (front swaybar set to hard helps).

Exactly what you "need" and what is "advisable" depends who you are talking to.

...and also upon the software file you select. Even when fitting a hybrid turbo, it really is the software that determines the "needs" for hardware.

[mikepologti]

why do i get the feeling your the guy i emailed just the other day?

i didnt read slappy's commenst on that thread till now. he seriously knows his sh*t.

[jueshen]

i dont think thats right or maybe not properly tuned..
im running standard turbo, with dp, pd160 and bmc and getting 173HP atw..
other pgtis here fully modded with standard turbo's are running 199 HP ATW...

I was at a dyno day where a polo had DP, Intercooler, APR K04 with software and it pulled 169 HP atw on a Dynomatics dyno in non shoot out mode. Hope this helps!

[pogo_55]

Mate it was my car and Anthony is correct 169bhp at the wheels. You can't take dyno results from different dynos or even on different days and make direct comparisons. Anthony's car which was similarly spec'd engine wise to mine but with the stock turbo had about 20bhp less. His car also has a tip and other engine hoses mine doesn't. So it looks like a K04-001 gives around an extra 20bhp at the wheels.

There was guys complaining about "losing" 30bhp at that dyno day with the dyno running in non shootout mode.

Hope this helps.

i dont think thats right or maybe not properly tuned..
im running standard turbo, with dp, pd160 and bmc and getting 173HP atw..
other pgtis here fully modded with standard turbo's are running 199 HP ATW...

[jueshen]

still find it weird...
maybe i dont understand what "non shoot out mode is"
help me undertand?

Mate it was my car and Andrew is correct 169bhp at the wheels. You can't take dyno results from different dynos or even on different days and make direct comparisons. Andrew's car which was similarly spec'd engine wise to mine but with the stock turbo had about 20bhp less. His car also has a tip and other engine hoses mine doesn't. So it looks like a K04-001 gives around an extra 20bhp at the wheels.

There was guys complaining about "losing" 30bhp at that dyno day with the dyno running in non shootout mode.

Hope this helps.