0-100 KMH Figures

[gareth_oau]

and dont forget that the difference between new and worn tyres can add 3kph to the error range

[VW GTI]

yeah i haven't tested it on a dyno but i have tested on the motorway next to a friends work car (ex-police vehicle). i was doing spot on 100 (cuise control set and watching it) when he was doing 97-98. unless his is way out as well, mine seems to be pretty good. will have to test it next dyno day to find out for sure.

i just assumed mine was more in-line because of the wheels/tyres.

Yeah, the slightly bigger rolling diameter does improve it, but not 10% unfortunately.

[mozzzy_2000]

I'd have to say that my speedo seems to be pretty spot on. Everytime I have driven through one of those roadside public speed displays, on cruise it seems pretty accurate probably within 2-3Kph. I would imagine the speed capturing device would be pretty accurate itself.

[Oneofthegreats]

I'll start off with,

this isn't a dig at anyone at all I'm not jumping on any band wagon to gang up on anyone, but I'm reading through another "world beating Polo gti" thread & finding the same stuff over & over.

This is my 25cent's

The OP just wanted to the 0-100 stock times & approx tuned times, then.....

Everyone bag's out on old car's & the same with new car's & then the so-called fact's & figures come out to prove each other wrong.

Then the magical calculation's come out.

There are plenty of car's out there that look fast on paper, but in real life condition's, there as slow as a XD Falcon Panelvan on LPG!

For starter's. If a Stock polo gti can go 7.2 to 100? Wow, that's as fast as a stock Golf GTI Manual. The DSG GTI is 6.9-100 as quoted, tested & proved by several mag's.

I've never seen a polo gti keep up with a golf gti. not standard anyway.

Back onto some of these figures.

For starter's, I have never seen any accurate "my mate sat in the passenger seat & timed me with a dirty old casio watch, stop watch" & I would never believe them anyway.

Now about the mk2 crap aero dynamic's.
The Mk1 was shaped like a block of concrete. No doubting that, but the mk2 was leap's & bound's more efficient than a mk1 by nearly 20% making the mk2 as aerodynamic as a current polo gti.

Fact's.

Mk2 drag coefficient 0.34
Polo gti drag coefficient 0.32!

& for a laugh a mk1 is 0.42! haha

Just cause a car is old, doesn't necessarily mean it's lost power & I have proven that over & over with my car's. In fact with a tired old engine (300+K) & a tune my car still made better power than factory!

Carl's mk2 isn't exactly slow either being able to keep up with Neil's modded GTI & Tim's modded VR6 & my own now smashed lighty modded mk1, which could stay in front of tuned polo gti's!

I know this as a fact, cause I was there & right with them both in either of my mk1's at different times!

So a stock polo makes 110kw & weigh's how much loaded?
A mk2 makes 102kw & should weigh remarkably less even loaded!

So with a polo weighing at least 200+kg's heavier & with only 8 kw's more, I don't need any calculator's to work out which is going to win.

Even if the polo had another 50-60kw from some mods, it's still pushing the extra 200+kg's!

Also on the weighing topic, I think if any of you get a chance, go down to the local weigh bridge & weigh your car's. You will be totally suprised by how much they really do weigh!

I was suprised to find an alleged 830kg car weigh in at a shade over a ton with half a tank of fuel & me in it & I was only 74kg's then.


Now if I tell the same old story of my mk1's & my stock old crappy VN 5L beating a couple tuned polo gti's, you'd all laugh & get out the figures to work it out!

But what I can't figure out is how a stock polo gti can walk all over, say a high 13 sec car!



Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the polo is a slow car, as they can be very enjoyable, but they aren't as fast as the owner's make out. I know, I drive them all the time.

Also the polo isn't the only car out there that cop's this, as I'm also not impressed with the R32 performances either.

[madglf3]

...not to upset anyone driving a +10 year old golf, which body is probably gonna pull away from its chasis soon

Why does the Polo forum deliver weekly servings of laughs with threads so similar to previous ones? Not everything is about drag racing, why does everyone care so much about numbers??

How much of the time is everyone here racing someone else to care that much about all of this?

[RhysQ]

1. this isn't a dig at anyone at all I'm not jumping on any band wagon to gang up on anyone, but I'm reading through another "world beating Polo gti" thread & finding the same stuff over & over...

2. For starter's. If a Stock polo gti can go 7.2 to 100? Wow, that's as fast as a stock Golf GTI Manual. The DSG GTI is 6.9-100 as quoted, tested & proved by several mag's....

3. I've never seen a polo gti keep up with a golf gti. not standard anyway...

4. For starter's, I have never seen any accurate "my mate sat in the passenger seat & timed me with a dirty old casio watch, stop watch" & I would never believe them anyway...

5. Now about the mk2 crap aero dynamic's.
The Mk1 was shaped like a block of concrete. No doubting that, but the mk2 was leap's & bound's more efficient than a mk1 by nearly 20% making the mk2 as aerodynamic as a current polo gti...

6. Mk2 drag coefficient 0.34
Polo gti drag coefficient 0.32!

7. Just cause a car is old, doesn't necessarily mean it's lost power & I have proven that over & over with my car's. In fact with a tired old engine (300+K) & a tune my car still made better power than factory!...

8. So a stock polo makes 110kw & weigh's how much loaded?
A mk2 makes 102kw & should weigh remarkably less even loaded!
So with a polo weighing at least 200+kg's heavier & with only 8 kw's more, I don't need any calculator's to work out which is going to win.

9. Also on the weighing topic, I think if any of you get a chance, go down to the local weigh bridge & weigh your car's. You will be totally suprised by how much they really do weigh!
I was suprised to find an alleged 830kg car weigh in at a shade over a ton with half a tank of fuel & me in it & I was only 74kg's then.

10. ...But what I can't figure out is how a stock polo gti can walk all over, say a high 13 sec car!

11. Also the polo isn't the only car out there that cop's this, as I'm also not impressed with the R32 performances either.

Please read all posts before posting, most of this has been covered and is useless, and some is just made up.

1. no one ever said it's world beating, just basically pointing out that it's not believable that a stock 2 GTI can tip a chipped Polo GTI....even stock Polo i don't see how it could. never said it was impossible, just don't believe it.

2. Dave was the only person ever to say that it did 7.2 and it was a mistake which he admitted in the next post. Most mags quote (as i have said) a high 7's. I have seen the mag quotes for the V Golf GTI in the high 6's and spot on 7sec.

3. If you are talking about the V Golf GTI, neither have I, or anyone that I know of for that matter. No one has ever said they have

4. Never said it was technical but it's all I had to go off. Wasn't gonna count in my head or go out and buy a V-Box just for that exercise.

5. I find that very hard to believe, drag created by the block front and steep windscreen on the on the Mk2 would be huge.

6. source? in the famous words of ausgolfer, "don't believe everything you read on the web"

7. Consider yourself lucky, it's definitely not a myth.... it happens with pretty much every car. Have you the same parts from factory, no upgrades?

8. lol, no one takes in the most important factor with small hatchbacks, torque.... add that into your equation. the extra ~50Nm from the Polo is be a HUGE advantage.

9. Yeah, i went to the tip not long ago and it weighed about 1.36t with low fuel, myself, the gf and some rubbish in the back. I weigh 86, gf in the high 40's, about 30-40kg of rubbish. Makes my 'loaded' weight seem light doesnt it.

10. Who has ever said that?

11. I think the 4-motion system has got to blame for that. There is a lot of drivetrain loss with that AWD.

[Petrina Polo]

Ive had a few faster cars in my time.. spend too much money on modding different cars...

Polo Gti is a quick little car no doubt.. excellent bang for bucks. but does it has the sustained surge to inflict damage on the multitude of cars we claim it does?? yes and no..

the Polo Gti with tune and dump is a handy little squirt.. Nice bang for your bucks which will dispatch most stock performance cars including Ford and Holden V8s and WRX/200sx/Golf Gti. not a bad achievement for the cost.. so yes we are quicker against performance cars costing much more

but our performance potential without doing crazy mods is about flat 14 seconds down the quarter. Lets be realistic, just a wink quicker than most of these othercars stock..

It might hang with a stock GEN3 V8 from Holden or Ford V8 5.4 over a quarter mile... they run about a flat 14.. Same as WRX etc etc..

BUT Most other turbos out there or V8s have more accessable potential than our Polo Gtis for quicker runs.... spend a few $2000-$3000 on a WRX doing similar mods to our polos (tune, exhaust, boost) and you will see high 12's, same with 200sx, GEN3 and ford V8s.. same sort of mods we do, exhausts, tunes, intakes, fuel pumps, cams (for V8s)..

The Polo Gti feels quick 0-100km/h and will give most cars the hurry up to 100km/h but the gears are short and the surge doesnt extend to the redline to trouble these other performance cars when they have been modded also.

So I think that most performance cars with similar mods (apples with apples) to ours would run away from us if push comes to shove..

[Grant]

Ive had a few faster cars in my time.. spend too much money on modding different cars...

Polo Gti is a quick little car no doubt.. excellent bang for bucks. but does it has the sustained surge to inflict damage on the multitude of cars we claim it does?? yes and no..

the Polo Gti with tune and dump is a handy little squirt.. Nice bang for your bucks which will dispatch most stock performance cars including Ford and Holden V8s and WRX/200sx/Golf Gti. not a bad achievement for the cost.. so yes we are quicker against performance cars costing much more

but our performance potential without doing crazy mods is about flat 14 seconds down the quarter. Lets be realistic, just a wink quicker than most of these othercars stock..

It might hang with a stock GEN3 V8 from Holden or Ford V8 5.4 over a quarter mile... they run about a flat 14.. Same as WRX etc etc..

BUT Most other turbos out there or V8s have more accessable potential than our Polo Gtis for quicker runs.... spend a few $2000-$3000 on a WRX doing similar mods to our polos (tune, exhaust, boost) and you will see high 12's, same with 200sx, GEN3 and ford V8s.. same sort of mods we do, exhausts, tunes, intakes, fuel pumps, cams (for V8s)..

The Polo Gti feels quick 0-100km/h and will give most cars the hurry up to 100km/h but the gears are short and the surge doesnt extend to the redline to trouble these other performance cars when they have been modded also.

So I think that most performance cars with similar mods (apples with apples) to ours would run away from us if push comes to shove..

Excellent summary of the Polo GTI's performance.

[RhysQ]

Excellent summary of the Polo GTI's performance.

agreed, well written. and that's what it comes down to, bang for your buck. so for us to be able to mod a new car and still be significantly cheaper than the stock cars mentioned, that's pretty damn good for the performance output achievable.

[RhysQ]

Why does the Polo forum deliver weekly servings of laughs with threads so similar to previous ones? Not everything is about drag racing, why does everyone care so much about numbers??

How much of the time is everyone here racing someone else to care that much about all of this?

We are tuners, it's part of our lifestyle to care about what numbers our cars are getting. If we didn't care, we'd probably get ripped off on useless 'performance parts'. We want to make sure our money is well spent and we are getting the anticipated results.

Because the Polo is a cheap turbo car that can be relatively easily modded, there are a lot of us involved. It is a very appealing car for the lower end euro tuners as it doesn't really blow a massive hole in the wallet to get one going quick.

It would appear that the Polo GTI is the car of choice for tuning as most of them around have been at least chipped. I think Guy said he has done close to 200 (a few months back), and that's just APR.

As for racing each other, there is a drag night at Willowbank coming up shortly, I think it's the 3rd or 4th event that members of this forum will be attending (mostly the Polo guys). Apart from that, there have been track days.... so there's enough racing for people to care.

[Sharkie]

Pretty much agree with PetrinaPolo.

Modded Polo GTI is excellent bang for your buck taking all into consideration. Something the Polo's guys do forget, I agree, is that for similar money or a small amount more you get cars that can seriously demolish it .... WRX/SS/XR6T .... yes, you can stay close and depending on cricumstances even beat it over short distances, but throw some money at any of them and they are in a diffrent performance class altogether.

That said, I have driven (and owned) stock and modified VR6's and Mk2 GTI 16Vs extensively and in stock mode a Mk2 GTI 16V (definately not a 8V) and a VR6 will be very close to a Polo GTI stock. Mk2 16V be the quickest by a cat's whisker. Spend $3K on any of them and the Polo is by far the quickest.

On the qrtr .... (all $3-5K mods)
Modded Polo can do flat 14s, modded VR6 will be lucky to crack 15 and MK2 GTI 16V will be close to 14.5. ..... and then you remember that SS/XR6T/WRXs all start at around 14 ..... with much potential for going much much quicker ..... question is do you actually want to own any of them ?

[Petrina Polo]

Its enough performance for me.. (its enough for anyone) Its not the fastest car on the block but damn good bit of machinery in any company.. a fun drive everytime I get in.. I enjoy driving it.


Ive had quicker cars before but im not going back as they have floors as well... I like my Polo Gti, great alrounder..

[dammfool]

I wonder what my chipped tdi will do.
With all that torque i might start a tree stump pulling business

[madglf3]

We are tuners, it's part of our lifestyle to care about what numbers our cars are getting. If we didn't care, we'd probably get ripped off on useless 'performance parts'. We want to make sure our money is well spent and we are getting the anticipated results.

Because the Polo is a cheap turbo car that can be relatively easily modded, there are a lot of us involved. It is a very appealing car for the lower end euro tuners as it doesn't really blow a massive hole in the wallet to get one going quick.

It would appear that the Polo GTI is the car of choice for tuning as most of them around have been at least chipped. I think Guy said he has done close to 200 (a few months back), and that's just APR.

As for racing each other, there is a drag night at Willowbank coming up shortly, I think it's the 3rd or 4th event that members of this forum will be attending (mostly the Polo guys). Apart from that, there have been track days.... so there's enough racing for people to care.

Good explaination mate, I can definitely understand that. If I were to invest in something I wouldn't do it half heartedly and would want to know the ins-and-outs too. I will soon be looking for a rear (and maybe later, a front) swaybar for my mk4, and I will be wanting to get the best results for my money spent, I guess that is the same train of thought then.

The Polo does seem like a good entry level Euro hatch with some go, I might even consider one in the future.

Do you guys ever go circuit racing? Are these cars balanced with the extra power at the front wheels, or do they torque steer a fair bit?

[VW GTI]

Do you guys ever go circuit racing? Are these cars balanced with the extra power at the front wheels, or do they torque steer a fair bit?

They don't torque steering - they tend to lose traction rather than yank at the steering.

Took mine to the Drive GTI day with Guy in Warwick last year - it was awesome. Even on stock suspension it was easy to find the limit but stay within and still throw it around.

On better suspension I imagine it'd be heaps better.