Fuel

[Diesel_vert]

I'm sure no one really cares about diesel, but on my sister's TDI there's a big shiny sticker on the inside of the fuel filler cap that says "NO BIO DIESEL".
Every time there's some sort of engine fault with the car, VW Berwick try to blame it on bio diesel usage. Hahaha try to find bio diesel near us. Can you even buy it in Victoria?

'No biodiesel' actually means, 'No diesel fuel with a biodiesel content above 7%'.

The European fuel standard for automotive diesel fuel (EN 590) allows up to 7% biodiesel (up from 5%) content with no labelling requirements. Biodiesel blends higher than what is stated in EN 590 must be labelled as such.

The Australian fuel standard for automotive diesel fuel allows up to 5% biodiesel content with no labelling requirements. Biodiesel blends higher than 5% must be labelled as such.

It essentially means that diesel with up to 5% or 7% biodiesel, is still classified as diesel - not a biodiesel blend.

By extension, it also means that European vehicle manufacturers allow B7 blends. The European Committee for Standardization (CEN) collaborates widely and extensively with the transport industry when developing these standards, so these limits are by no means set arbitrarily.



E10 blends are different. EN 228 is the European standard for automotive petrol fuel and allows up to 5% ethanol content with no labelling requirements. Ethanol blends higher than what is stated in EN 228 must be labelled as such - including E10 blends. The situation is identical in Australia in terms of the labelling requirement.

[alexaescht]

Fuel

'No biodiesel' actually means, 'No diesel fuel with a biodiesel content above 7%'.

The European fuel standard for automotive diesel fuel (EN 590) allows up to 7% biodiesel (up from 5%) content with no labelling requirements. Biodiesel blends higher than what is stated in EN 590 must be labelled as such.

The Australian fuel standard for automotive diesel fuel allows up to 5% biodiesel content with no labelling requirements. Biodiesel blends higher than 5% must be labelled as such.

It essentially means that diesel with up to 5% or 7% biodiesel, is still classified as diesel - not a biodiesel blend.

By extension, it also means that European vehicle manufacturers allow B7 blends. The European Committee for Standardization (CEN) collaborates widely and extensively with the transport industry when developing these standards, so these limits are by no means set arbitrarily.



E10 blends are different. EN 228 is the European standard for automotive petrol fuel and allows up to 5% ethanol content with no labelling requirements. Ethanol blends higher than what is stated in EN 228 must be labelled as such - including E10 blends. The situation is identical in Australia in terms of the labelling requirement.

Thanks. Makes sense...

[PoloDave]

The price is sort of irrelevant because when the price of crude goes up ALL the fuel prices, so its not like 98 is the only one going up.

Not entirely true, there is always such a thing as market saturation. I work at the largest oil refinery in Europe on 3 petrol/kerosene/diesel producing plants and we are constantly adjusting what we make. If crude price goes up, doesn't always mean petrol does too because there is simply too much available on the market at that time.

Diesel will not run in a petrol car at all because it is designed to be used in compression engines. The same argument could be used on Diesel engines, you cannot use petrol at all, just wont work BUT you can use kerosene which is a heavier fuel like diesel. Again doesn't mean it's meant for it or good for it, but it can use it.

You are already putting kerosine in your car Over here we have different summer/winter specs of our diesel and that gets regulated by the amound of kerosine in the diesel. Also when diesel makes more $$$ than kerosine, we maximise the diesel production by leaving max kerosine in the blend (within specs ofc.)

[nomadx38]

You don't happen to live/work near Rotterdam do you? I know there are a lot of refineries around there, I'm pretty sure the main big one around there is Shell if I'm not mistaken...

I'm a small Dutch man myself XD, love the country but damn its flat

[PoloDave]

you are correct sir
And yes it's very flat over here.. good for fuel economy but bad for fun.. only workout the car gets hillclimbing, is getting over speedbumps

[Drooberius]

Have a question... I want to be using 98, but car still has half a tank of 95 from the dealer. Someone told me I need to run near empty before filling with 98 otherwise it would be ineffectual?

[Diesel_vert]

Have a question... I want to be using 98, but car still has half a tank of 95 from the dealer. Someone told me I need to run near empty before filling with 98 otherwise it would be ineffectual?

In most cases, the fuels will mix and the octane number will average out depending on the ratio.

If they don't mix, the car will continue to burn 95 until it reaches the 'layer' of 98, and the car will adjust accordingly (but may not be noticeable to the driver).

Either way, you can fill up with 98 any time you wish.

[Barracuda]

I only ever fill up with 98 and having used plenty of tanks of Caltex and Shell, I can honestly say that nothing beats BP fuel. The tank lasts longer, engine runs better, I notice a tad more power than usual out of the 77TSI and I think it's definitely worth the price difference!

[Lemonskin]

I only ever fill up with 98 and having used plenty of tanks of Caltex and Shell, I can honestly say that nothing beats BP fuel. The tank lasts longer, engine runs better, I notice a tad more power than usual out of the 77TSI and I think it's definitely worth the price difference!

In the end I don;t see much price difference anyway. Coles and Woolworths just inflate their prices so that when you get the "discount" its the same price as BP anyway.

[Zakarados]

Not sure how you guys 'feel' there difference in different fuel brands, unless your car is having a 10kw+ atw change or a huge torque jump. I don't really compare mileage between tanks, as I don't ever fill full tanks, and it all depends on how you are driving during that tank.

The way I see it, the most popular fuel station would be the best choice as it will have the higher turnover, therefore having the freshest fuel.

[nomadx38]

That can be worse for your car if they are constantly turning over the fuel because it disturbs the crap up at the bottom of the tanks mixing it throughout all the fuel. Its only after a day or so that it settles again. That gunk blocks up your fuel filter / pump real quick.

[Drooberius]

Just on a slightly side note... how far can you/have you gone when the fuel light warning comes on? I'm trying to run down the 95 that's in my tank as much as I can before filling up with 98; currently showing 30kms to go (city driving).

[nomadx38]

The light comes on when the tank is running on reserved fuel (7L) (I'm pretty sure that's what I read in the instruction manual). Depending on your L/100 you can estimate your range.

[gavs]

Fuel

I got mine down to 0 kms left once (don't ask!) and pulled another 15kms of hilly driving out of it!

[ATYPIC]

I got mine down to 0 kms left once (don't ask!) and pulled another 15kms of hilly driving out of it!

Geez...and I thought driving for an extra 3km with [5km] displayed was pushing it ...YOU WIN!