Audi A1 Quattro

[Coolio]

you dont know how pissed off i get every time i think about it. sure, it's good to help out your fellow aussie, but to perpetuate the idea that we need fcking 1700kg 6cyl cars with not much more interior room than a golf, to drive around our cities in? but a ds3r which is a perfect sized city car, is too much for our puny little minds to be able to take, we should go back to fcking 7.2 liter v8's?

i hear you, man. we're so fcking backward in this country, at the expense of trying to sell a few more falcodores whilst year by year watching their inevitable demise, and at the same time denying the motoring public brilliant cars that not only make more sense on multiple fronts from cityside practicality, lower consumptions and emissions, but are also better to drive as well.

apparently the suspension design in the ds3r doesnt meet adr's, so that makes it unsafe for australians....

yet how many little marios on their p plates write themselves and their falcodores off every year (lol - in a straight line, really?), yet those are more than safe enough for us?

welcome to backwater... oops, i mean australia.

okay. now off to cool down a bit.....

Interestingly the Australian automotive industry provides over 200,000 direct employment opportunities, plus supports a manufacturing industry base of over 1 million workers. Our import tariffs are low enough to allow EXTREMELY strong competition from overseas car makers. If low volume vehicles like the RS3 and DS3R don't comply with our ADRs then so be it. We all have plenty of choice when it comes to purchasing new cars in Australia. Also, from reading the information in this forum, it would appear that Audi have ELECTED not to crash test the RS3, thereby precluding it from being imported. Obviously Audi have therefore DECIDED that regardless of the ADRs they don't have a business case to bring it here. The ADRs certainly are not responsible for "little marios on their p plates" writing off whatever vehicle they happen to be driving around in. Neither are the Australian car manufacturers. IF you were saying that the ADRs were responsible for stopping vehicles that were accessible to the P plate market and were demonstrably safer, in terms of passive safety features, than what is otherwise available, then i think you would have a point. BUT you aren't. IF you elect to drive outside the law then you put yourself at risk REGARDLESS of the vehicle you are driving and REGARDLESS of any Australian Design Regulation. AUSTRALIA is not backward. People trying to link ADRs to "little marios on their p plates (who) write themselves and their falcodores off every year" are backward.

[pologti18t]

okay. now off to cool down a bit.....

Thank god... because your argument makes no sense.

You are taking the word of Ateco (that useless importer) on why they didn't bring the DS3R to Australia. Why then did they display it to the press? To drum up some interest in the normal DS3 that wasn't selling well perhaps? Ateco was NEVER going to import the DS3R. It was far to expensive to sell here.
If it was due to a non-compliance to an ADR then too bad to Citroen. Every other manufacturer seems to be able to cope well enough.

If you think the ADR system was introduced to protect the local industry then you are sadly mistaken. That was quite easily done by import tariffs and quotas (are you old enough to remember them?)
The ADR system has been systematical harmonised with EU regs over the last 15-20yrs. Why do so if it was to protect the local industry?

If Audi thought it uneconomical to repeat a crash test on the RS3 then that's their decision.

[Acko1991]

But if ADR's don't allow cars that are built in Europe into the country then how does that make any sense whatever?....Not only are Australian roads terrible...the cars that are built here are just as terrible...

Plus the serious lack of emphasis on high speed driving......I think it is bull**** how 'AUSTRALIA' thinks we have to drive slow to save lives...its absolute ****...and the germans have proven it....better roads and better cars and better driver training is what makes things safer.

[Coolio]

Firstly, i am fairly sure the ADRs don't say "1.0 No Cars from Europe shall be allowed". Because of the number of new vehicles on the market they cannot possibly be written to cater to every niche product such as the DS3R. Non-compliance with the ADR cannot be viewed simply as a car from Europe not being allowed, rather it is an example of an engineering solution not being considered suitable for our market regardless of the car's origin. I am sure if Citroen desperately wanted the DS3R to be available in Australia, they would have found a different solution which complied with the ADRs. I believe a good example of this was the seats in a previous Renaultsport Clio/Megane a few years ago....the seats fitted for the European market did not comply with the relevant ADR, so Renault fitted different seats for the Australian market and everything was fine. Secondly, by what measure are Australian cars terrible? Surely not reliability given your experience with the Polo.

With regard to high speed driving, Australia is in the unfortunate position of having a culture of 100km speed limits on major highways. While increased driver training would certainly be a good starting point for improving safety on the road, it is difficult to retrospectively educate already licensed drivers. What happens with the freshly licensed 17 year old, who suddenly finds the speed limit on the nearby major highway raised to 160? Has he ever been in a vehicle moving at 160km/h let alone driven one at that speed? Does he think the normal shoulder check before changing lanes when moving from a 120km/h lane to a 160km/h lane is adequate? If he does pull into a fast lane and cause an accident, innocent people could die. Its not reeeeally his fault because he hasn't had the training to cope. Its not the fault of the person in the fast lane, because they are driving within the law. Accidents that happen when people break the law are unfortunate, but when they do occur the only person who should feel responsible is the person who broke the law in the first place. Can anyone actually demonstrate the higher speed limits would improve road safety? I am almost certain that if someone could, the idea would have been heavily pushed in the public realm already.

[pologti18t]

But if ADR's don't allow cars that are built in Europe into the country then how does that make any sense whatever?....Not only are Australian roads terrible...the cars that are built here are just as terrible...

Plus the serious lack of emphasis on high speed driving......I think it is bull**** how 'AUSTRALIA' thinks we have to drive slow to save lives...its absolute ****...and the germans have proven it....better roads and better cars and better driver training is what makes things safer.

What are you on about? Stop ranting about things you obviously haven't even investigated.
Last I have read Australian cars have 5 star ratings....ESP, 6 airbags, ABS, yadda yadda. They can even federalize the Commodore to sell in the USA. VW hasn't done that for the Polo in the USA

Yes, better roads are safer, but please compare the population of Germany against it size. Then have a think about the $$$ they have to build and maintain roads compared to us.
The driver training isn't as advanced in German as you think it is.

Australia is not as bad as you may well think on the fatality rate.

List of countries by traffic-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


BTW, how many defensive or advanced driver training courses have YOU done?

[Buller_Scott]

Interestingly the Australian automotive industry provides over 200,000 direct employment opportunities, plus supports a manufacturing industry base of over 1 million workers. Our import tariffs are low enough to allow EXTREMELY strong competition from overseas car makers. If low volume vehicles like the RS3 and DS3R don't comply with our ADRs then so be it. We all have plenty of choice when it comes to purchasing new cars in Australia. Also, from reading the information in this forum, it would appear that Audi have ELECTED not to crash test the RS3, thereby precluding it from being imported. Obviously Audi have therefore DECIDED that regardless of the ADRs they don't have a business case to bring it here. The ADRs certainly are not responsible for "little marios on their p plates" writing off whatever vehicle they happen to be driving around in. Neither are the Australian car manufacturers. IF you were saying that the ADRs were responsible for stopping vehicles that were accessible to the P plate market and were demonstrably safer, in terms of passive safety features, than what is otherwise available, then i think you would have a point. BUT you aren't. IF you elect to drive outside the law then you put yourself at risk REGARDLESS of the vehicle you are driving and REGARDLESS of any Australian Design Regulation. AUSTRALIA is not backward. People trying to link ADRs to "little marios on their p plates (who) write themselves and their falcodores off every year" are backward.

oh my, not only did you manage to thoroughly misinterpret the message that i was trying to convey, you also managed to fumble your own "argument" TOO (random word in caps, like yourself).

and im sorry that you took offense to the fact that australia is backward, to the extent that you're having a personal dig - pretty clear that i hit a nerve, and that you begrudgingly agree with me

cheers

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The driver training isn't as advanced in German as you think it is.

BTW, how many defensive or advanced driver training courses have YOU done?

yet the germans seem to know when the fck to move out of the fast lane, and indicate their intent to do so.

i'd say that driving in australia is nearly as bad as driving somewhere like jakarta, but i'd be wrong - at least there, the chaos is organised, and they actually know what happens at a round about.

[pologti18t]

oh my, not only did you manage to thoroughly misinterpret the message that i was trying to convey, you also managed to fumble your own "argument" TOO (random word in caps, like yourself).

and im sorry that you took offense to the fact that australia is backward, to the extent that you're having a personal dig - pretty clear that i hit a nerve, and that you begrudgingly agree with me

cheers

What did you mean then? I thought COOLIO pretty much got at what you were saying in your original post. It was certainly the gist of the message I was getting.

How is Australia backwards? Enlighten us....

[Buller_Scott]

How is Australia backwards? Enlighten us....

haha! you're getting upset too! settle petal...

people who've formed this opinion, be it here or overseas (lol. can of worms), know.

the rest are welcome to take offense, as you and coolio are. quite simply, i dont see the need to enable you to turn this into a "now i have to prove it to you" scenario.

as i said, you're welcome to go on ahead and take offense.

[Coolio]

I actually thought what i said was pretty much factual, and where i did put forward an opinion i supported it with facts. Also, it's not about being a "now i have to prove it to you" scenario. But if you have an opinion surely it's better to back it up than just start having a go at people for replying?

[Acko1991]

I wasn't having a go at anyone....Just bringing forward a personal opinion....I honestly think reducing speed limits isn't the be all and end all of driver safety which seems to be pushed in every state....which i am sure no one can argue with......

Especially the stupidity of reducing a 100 km/h road to a 90 km/h road because some idiot put himself around a tree when he pushed his car to over 160 km/h.

I think the government need to have a bit of sense and honestly see that 'accidents happen'. I disagree with the idea that all accidents are preventable even if they are....they still happened!

And yes i have done a few courses thanks.....plus driven in germany and in the United Kingdom....

[pologti18t]

haha! you're getting upset too! settle petal...

people who've formed this opinion, be it here or overseas (lol. can of worms), know.
.

A nice throw away line Me ? Offended? By someone I have never met?

Everyone can have an opinion, but it's much better if the opinion is backed up with facts and evidence.

Anyway, Brett, for a country of such backward yokels we do pretty well at avoiding fatalities on the roads here. Unlike the idiots in Indonesia - twice the rate per 100,000 pop, 30 times the rate per 100,000 motor vehicles. Organised chaos indeed

[kawabanga]

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