Audi A1 Quattro

[pologti18t]

Driven: Audi A1 Quattro review and pictures | evo

" engineering terms it's a packaging miracle - the A1 was never intended to take this engine or a four-wheel drive system - with some fairly substantial modifications to the rear of the floorpan to mount the S3's four-link rear axle. The driveshaft to the rear diff runs through what used to be the spare wheel well and the petrol tank - Audi had to develop an all-new 'saddle' fuel tank to bridge it."

This would suggest that maybe the idea of an AWD Polo R maybe a bit wide of the mark

[Buller_Scott]

they're only going to do 333 a1 quattros.

i doubt they'd bother turning the polo into awd, regardless of what engine they put in it. as a well respected motoring journo once said regarding a certain vag car: "it doesnt need awd on the street, and it certainly didnt help it on the track".

[gavs]

Technically the platform was developed for awd all along, it's fundamentally the same as the mk4 golf and that ran 2 awd setups globally...

[Buller_Scott]

interesting... mk4 r32 and bora 4mo?

i guess i contradict myself - i cant see why the polo would need awd, or even anything short of a golf wagon, and yet i'd love a 4wd tanto:

[goodfella]

This would suggest that maybe the idea of an AWD Polo R maybe a bit wide of the mark

I beg (hope) to differ.. if there is substantial works needed to reengineer the rear, then i think there is room for the AWD Polo R.. as VAG try to reduce those development costs through increased production. I recall Bugatti sold Veyrons at a loss, but I doubt VW/Audi would try that.

[gavs]

I'm with buller Scott on this one. Why build the same car, sell it for $15k less and piss-off the Audi owners out there who bought a supposed limited edition, same reason why Volvo don't build the c30 pole star when the focus RS is out there, well, was...

[DoggieHowser]

I'm with buller Scott on this one. Why build the same car, sell it for $15k less and piss-off the Audi owners out there who bought a supposed limited edition, same reason why Volvo don't build the c30 pole star when the focus RS is out there, well, was...

I'd expect this would be further along the road. Probably a mid or end lifecycle refresh.

I doubt the Polo would get the same 5 cylinder engine as the RS3/A1 Quattro. But a 1.6T that's rumored to be in the works might be a good fit. Upsell Polo customers and not pissing off the A1 Quattro 2.5l LE customers.

Based on your reasoning we'd never have the Polo GTI which can be speced for about 35k to be an exact match for the A1 Sport which sells for 50k and up.

As for the PoleStar, I recall that was an outside partner house not Volvo itself. Plus Volvo was also busy being sold off to the Chinese so I expect any low volume limited appeal (to Volvo's target customers) would be put in the backburner.

[pologti18t]

I doubt the Polo would get the same 5 cylinder engine as the RS3/A1 Quattro. .

It uses the 2L TSFI engine ouit of the S3 (4 cylinder)

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I beg (hope) to differ.. if there is substantial works needed to reengineer the rear, then i think there is room for the AWD Polo R.. as VAG try to reduce those development costs through increased production. I recall Bugatti sold Veyrons at a loss, but I doubt VW/Audi would try that.

Did you look at the price of tha A1 Quattro? 40K UKP. If they thought they could recoup the development costs then they wouldn't charge such a high price for the A1. In comparison a Golf R is 32K UKP. A BMW 535I is only 39K UKP.

[DoggieHowser]

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Sorry I must have confused it with that original concept

[goodfella]

Did you look at the price of tha A1 Quattro? 40K UKP. If they thought they could recoup the development costs then they wouldn't charge such a high price for the A1. In comparison a Golf R is 32K UKP. A BMW 535I is only 39K UKP.

Its really irrelevant talking UKP (GBP)... do I think the POLO R would ever reach the AU market, negative on that Ghost Rider! Same could be said for the RS3 etc.

[THE_EGG]

Its really irrelevant talking UKP (GBP)... do I think the POLO R would ever reach the AU market, negative on that Ghost Rider! Same could be said for the RS3 etc.

From what i've read, the RS3 doesn't meet ADR's (australian design regulations). So don't expect the RS3 to reach Australia at all considering that the DS3 Racing did not/will not reach Australia due to it too, not meeting ADR's. Just thought I would add this if you didn't know why the RS3 would not reach Australia.

[gavs]

yeah, RS3 doesn't coply due to having carbon fibre front quarter panels and audi didn't feel the need to stack one so the canberra based flogs who write our stupid ADR's to keep Holden and Ford still in production would be happy. DS3 Racing doesn't come in due to the suspension design in it, it doesn't meet the ADRs somehow....

[goodfella]

From what i've read, the RS3 doesn't meet ADR's (australian design regulations). So don't expect the RS3 to reach Australia at all considering that the DS3 Racing did not/will not reach Australia due to it too, not meeting ADR's. Just thought I would add this if you didn't know why the RS3 would not reach Australia.

Correct, Audi Oz deemed the RS3 was too late in the A3 lifecycle to warrant the eye watering destruction of RS3iii in ADR compliance for the benefit of a few they would sell through.

[THE_EGG]

yeah, RS3 doesn't coply due to having carbon fibre front quarter panels and audi didn't feel the need to stack one so the canberra based flogs who write our stupid ADR's to keep Holden and Ford still in production would be happy. DS3 Racing doesn't come in due to the suspension design in it, it doesn't meet the ADRs somehow....

wow because of CF front quarter panels? isn't that a good thing?!?!?! WTF are these guys on!? I think the DS3's suspension wasn't allowed because of it being too low to the ground but im not 100% sure on that one. Thanks for the info

[Buller_Scott]

yeah, RS3 doesn't coply due to having carbon fibre front quarter panels and audi didn't feel the need to stack one so the canberra based flogs who write our stupid ADR's to keep Holden and Ford still in production would be happy. DS3 Racing doesn't come in due to the suspension design in it, it doesn't meet the ADRs somehow....

you dont know how pissed off i get every time i think about it. sure, it's good to help out your fellow aussie, but to perpetuate the idea that we need fcking 1700kg 6cyl cars with not much more interior room than a golf, to drive around our cities in? but a ds3r which is a perfect sized city car, is too much for our puny little minds to be able to take, we should go back to fcking 7.2 liter v8's?

i hear you, man. we're so fcking backward in this country, at the expense of trying to sell a few more falcodores whilst year by year watching their inevitable demise, and at the same time denying the motoring public brilliant cars that not only make more sense on multiple fronts from cityside practicality, lower consumptions and emissions, but are also better to drive as well.

apparently the suspension design in the ds3r doesnt meet adr's, so that makes it unsafe for australians....

yet how many little marios on their p plates write themselves and their falcodores off every year (lol - in a straight line, really?), yet those are more than safe enough for us?

welcome to backwater... oops, i mean australia.

okay. now off to cool down a bit.....