anyone want to get rid of there standard sports pack spring?

[mowens]

hi guys
ive got a 77tsi without the sports pack. Anyone on here looking to offload there sports springs? I noticed a few users over the time have upgraded further. Im assuming the sports springs work with the standard shockers?

[gavs]

I'd be double checking with a dealership regarding part numbers, you really don't want mismatched springs and dampers, speaking from experience!

[kaanage]

but that would imply that lowering spring kits aren't a good idea......

[Hail22]

but that would imply that lowering spring kits aren't a good idea......

Springs and dampers are unique in sizing with the chassis of each individual vehicle.

H&R, Eibarch etc have engineering backgrounds which must adhere to stricter laws in Europe then our ADR compliance.

So naturally they would make spring kits that gel/completely match with the original damper settings for TSI, GTI and so on based on weight, drive etc.

[kaanage]

Sorry. I should have put in some sarcasm indicators.

Lowering springs are something I rail against but hardly anyone here is willing to listen when I tell them to change both dampers and springs (or even just upgrade the dampers if the budget is tight).

[PoloDave]

If you want I can check tonight if there's a part number on it somewere, have them laying around after replacing them for coilovers

[kaanage]

Im assuming the sports springs work with the standard shockers?

BTW If someone has upgraded with coilovers or cup kits, they could sell you the dampers as well as the springs from the sports pack.

[gavs]

Sorry. I should have put in some sarcasm indicators.

Lowering springs are something I rail against but hardly anyone here is willing to listen when I tell them to change both dampers and springs (or even just upgrade the dampers if the budget is tight).

Everyone, kaanage is probably the wisest of all the elders on here, especially regarding suspension and 99.99% of the time I agree wholeheartedly with him. The other 0.01%...... That until he convinces me otherwise

For those who don't know about matched spring rates and dampers, if your springs cotract and expand at a rate that your dampers aren't matched to, i.e can't compress and rebound at the same rate while still damping the forces going through them, then your ride will be terrible and your car will not handle any better, in fact it will handle worse.


Jeremy Clarkson once said something along the lines of (regarding the BMW Z4) "This car was designed in the USA and in the USA a hard ride is seen as sporty, but this car isn't sporty, it's rubbish. Just because the car has hard suspension doesn't mean that it handles well."

I will guarantee that a good 70% of the time people put different springs in the car that haven't been engineered to match the stock dampers, people will think it handles better when in fact, it's worse.

It's called "The Placebo Effect".

[pologti18t]

I will guarantee that a good 70% of the time people put different springs in the car that haven't been engineered to match the stock dampers, people will think it handles better when in fact, it's worse.

It's called "The Placebo Effect".

Agreed... you could also call it the "K&N Airfilter" effect

[mythik]

Agreed... you could also call it the "K&N Airfilter" effect

OH: "It pulls HARD bro. 20kW increase! does 10s! fully sick."

[PUZ213]

that's why after the first time i did springs in my civic i changed to coilovers and never looked back. Springs over time screw ur dampers making it drive like a boat. Which leads to replacing the dampers which then costs more than just buying coilovers (spring and damper combo).



worth the investment

[Hail22]

that's why after the first time i did springs in my civic i changed to coilovers and never looked back. Springs over time screw ur dampers making it drive like a boat. Which leads to replacing the dampers which then costs more than just buying coilovers (spring and damper combo).



worth the investment

Who did you buy them from?

What sort of price is it for a set of 4.

Springs are easy to find but coilovers...eh.

[gavs]

that's why after the first time i did springs in my civic i changed to coilovers and never looked back. Springs over time screw ur dampers making it drive like a boat. Which leads to replacing the dampers which then costs more than just buying coilovers (spring and damper combo).



worth the investment

Only if the springs aren't matched to the factory rate and the dampers. Any proper spring manufacturer like kw, eibach, h&r will make their springs to match factory dampers. A coilover is no different, the damper aspect still wears out, maybe not as quickly, but it still does.

[kaanage]

Only if the springs aren't matched to the factory rate and the dampers. Any proper spring manufacturer like kw, eibach, h&r will make their springs to match factory dampers. A coilover is no different, the damper aspect still wears out, maybe not as quickly, but it still does.

Sorry to disagree on this one but lowering springs are guaranteed to have a higher rate than OE else the reduced suspension bump travel would make bottoming out much more likely if the OE spring rate was maintained. As PUZ213, went on to say, this works the OE dampers harder and wears them out much more quickly.

[Gti Dave]

Only if the springs aren't matched to the factory rate and the dampers. Any proper spring manufacturer like kw, eibach, h&r will make their springs to match factory dampers. A coilover is no different, the damper aspect still wears out, maybe not as quickly, but it still does.

I disagree as well. Lowering springs is in effect used to "lower" your car and because the shocks and struts are no longer operating within the original working height, the aftermarket lowering springs will always have a higher spring rate in order to compensate the reduced working height or travel to prevent bottoming out otherwise everyone with lowering springs with factory spec spring rate would bottom out constantly whenever they hit a bump and the car would feel a bit like a boat