Realistic Pricing

[gead]

good luck with the sale (and the new bub)....i have two kids and i find that the r36 is a great compromise as a family car...the one vomit incident (so far) was cleaned up with no stains, and the back seats are holding up quite well....granted my two are only 2.5 years and 4 months, and their ability to damage things will increase exponentially, but i am happy to live with it, as the kids are worth it....

also my wife doesn't drive, so i don't have that stress....

[nivek]

I believe redbook to be wildly inaccurate.

I managed to sell my previous car for $20K which was $7K above the red book average price (private sale).

IMO redbook prices are there to help second hand dealers rip off unsuspecting sellers.

[Rocket36]

Red Book is there as a guide. There is no way it can account for individual sales, individual vehicle condition when being sold, kms on individual vehicles. It's based on numbers, averages. Treat it as a guide and it's actually quite a handy tool.

[R36 Dreamer]

R36 Dreamer, although I can't speak about the other things you have said about why you dont want to keep the R36, I can say that whether I'm loading our 7 month old into my car or the wife's CR-V - they are both as easy as each other. Yes, the R36 is lower but not hugely so and I don't break my back doing so.

Haven't had any chuck on the seats yet but the formula that spilled one day cleaned up pretty easily and is not noticeable. Plus I have some strategically placed cloth nappies around the seat so projectile fluids should be mostly caught by them.

We've got 2 seats (1 in each car) so we can take the CR-V when going to the local shopping centre etc, and leave the R36 for longer drives or places where I know you dont have the local bogan brigade in their sh*tty VN's wrecking your paintwork...

Hope you get a good price if you decide to sell and get something nice to replace it. I can strongly recommend you DON'T get a CR-V, simply for the fact the lack of power and the floaty ride will really not sit well with you if you've sold the R36 for it. I can get away with living with it because I know the good car is in our driveway!

Thanks for the replies all.

Pana - seems you have it sorted, and I was keen to have a second "kid" car and keep the R36 for longer trips and cleaner duties, however the problem is my wife (who is also a bit of a car nut).

She will not under any circumstances part with her beloved Mini.

She also rightly points out that me making her drive a territory or kluger whilst I have the R36 is a bit unfair.

So that means the R goes or stays- and if it goes it has to be replaced with something european....

We are going to check out the RR Sport, VW etc. this weekend so will find out what the dealers are offering as a trade...

[Pana]

She will not under any circumstances part with her beloved Mini.

She also rightly points out that me making her drive a territory or kluger whilst I have the R36 is a bit unfair.

To be perfectly honest....... I reckon her saying that she will not sell her Mini and making you sell the R36 is a LOT more unfair.

Think about it this way - the R36 is practical and can cope with kids and their associated crap no problems - but she wants to keep her impractical small and cramped 2 door Mini!!!!!!! Putting a newborn in a car seat in the back of a 2 door is going to be hard at the best of times - plus you'll probably be lucky to fit the pram in the back of the Mini.

So you'll be selling the car that will suit your needs better and keeping the one that won't suit you at all. And if you do sell the R36 and buy a SUV - she'll be driving it anyway if she's going to have maternity leave - I doubt she'll be able to use the Mini for very long if at all - which means YOU'LL have to drive it!

*DISCLAIMER - not having a go at your wife, and I don't know your life so all I've said might be utter crap and not relate to you at all - but I had to say it coz I really believe you are getting shafted big time...

[Psyk]

I agree with Pana...

We went through the same thing 2-3 years ago. I had a Subaru STi and the Missus a Forester. We were planning on selling the Forrester and upgrade to something a bit bigger (same list as yours plus Klugers, Landcruiers and what not), and I'd play with mods/upgrades on the STi.

It worked out that after bashing about with baby-seats, coping with vomit, banging around in car-parks that the better car for the job was the current one we had until the little one gets a bit older. So the Forrester stayed and I got the CC instead...

Interestingly though, the CC fits prams and baby seats nicely so both cars suit us and both load balance family duties accordingly....

[Rocket36]

Slightly OT but it surprises me the amount of talk about vomit. My sister and I spent hours in cars as kids going from Sydney to out past Wagga on the old Hume Highway which was a goat track when compared to today and without aircon too. And there was never a vomit incident. Do kids these days just not cope as well in cars?

[tryingavw]

To be perfectly honest....... I reckon her saying that she will not sell her Mini and making you sell the R36 is a LOT more unfair.

Think about it this way - the R36 is practical and can cope with kids and their associated crap no problems - but she wants to keep her impractical small and cramped 2 door Mini!!!!!!! Putting a newborn in a car seat in the back of a 2 door is going to be hard at the best of times - plus you'll probably be lucky to fit the pram in the back of the Mini.

So you'll be selling the car that will suit your needs better and keeping the one that won't suit you at all. And if you do sell the R36 and buy a SUV - she'll be driving it anyway if she's going to have maternity leave - I doubt she'll be able to use the Mini for very long if at all - which means YOU'LL have to drive it!

*DISCLAIMER - not having a go at your wife, and I don't know your life so all I've said might be utter crap and not relate to you at all - but I had to say it coz I really believe you are getting shafted big time...

Were all p%ssy whipped i reckon..... just a matter of degree.

[Cro]

Do kids these days just not cope as well in cars?

My daughter has vomited in the R36, silly us for letting her drink too much water after a big meal of cheesy pasta and going through a road work zone with more turns than the nurburgring on the way to QLD.
The baby seat contained all of it, and no unpleasent smells were left in the car after the baby seat was taken out and thoroughly washed.

[Pana]

Were all p%ssy whipped i reckon..... just a matter of degree.

Aint that the truth!!

Slightly OT but it surprises me the amount of talk about vomit. My sister and I spent hours in cars as kids going from Sydney to out past Wagga on the old Hume Highway which was a goat track when compared to today and without aircon too. And there was never a vomit incident. Do kids these days just not cope as well in cars?

Neither did I as a kid - and we used to spend ages and ages in the back of the car. My son however suffers from reflux so everytime that happens, what he last ate seems to come up with it.

[apom]

OK, I have read this thread a couple of times and cant seem to fathom this cargument.

With this in mind I am considering (it is still only a thought at the moment) that I will sell the R36 now and buy something like -
3.0 TDI Toureg
2.7 TDI Range Rover Sport
3.0 ML320 CDI
3.0d BMW X5
Audi Q7 is on the list but my wife thinks it is too big.

These are all more expensive to buy new, harder to part in shopping centres and more likely to get bumps in the doors. These are also prestige vehicles and should be looked after in the same way one would look after an R36

She will not under any circumstances part with her beloved Mini.

Hmmm... something seriously wrong with this equation. She wont sell her car but will let you drive it whilst she also gets the pick of the new vehicle!

IMO....you at some time will need to BOTH cars that can carry kids and the Mini is the thing thats gotta go here. Lets face the R36 is a practical family wagon PLUS performance to boot. Keeping the Mini and getting an SUV seems a loose loose to me.

Sell the Mini and get a second hand V6 Diesel Treg, both nice to drive, both practical and both worth about the same value, then its fair to you and your wife and can swap if and when required to suit the immediate needs of the day!

[R36 Dreamer]

To be perfectly honest....... I reckon her saying that she will not sell her Mini and making you sell the R36 is a LOT more unfair.

Think about it this way - the R36 is practical and can cope with kids and their associated crap no problems - but she wants to keep her impractical small and cramped 2 door Mini!!!!!!! Putting a newborn in a car seat in the back of a 2 door is going to be hard at the best of times - plus you'll probably be lucky to fit the pram in the back of the Mini.

So you'll be selling the car that will suit your needs better and keeping the one that won't suit you at all. And if you do sell the R36 and buy a SUV - she'll be driving it anyway if she's going to have maternity leave - I doubt she'll be able to use the Mini for very long if at all - which means YOU'LL have to drive it!

*DISCLAIMER - not having a go at your wife, and I don't know your life so all I've said might be utter crap and not relate to you at all - but I had to say it coz I really believe you are getting shafted big time...

Fair Comments, thought I should elaborate.

Mini wont go because it is owned - R36 is leased. We both agree only one car should be leased.

Mini suits our needs as a second car. It does less than 7000 kms per annum, and due to the condition based servicing only needs attention every 2 years. It works out very cost effective for us.

I probably should have pointed this out.

So the wifes stubborn stance on the mini is driven by finances, rather than anything else.

I dont want to end up with a 4 year old R36 which is worthless because it has been trashed in carparks and day to day use. It currently has a pampered existence, commuting to and from work, golf club and occassional longer trips.

Appreciate your input though.

[R36 Dreamer]

OK, I have read this thread a couple of times and cant seem to fathom this cargument.




These are all more expensive to buy new, harder to part in shopping centres and more likely to get bumps in the doors. These are also prestige vehicles and should be looked after in the same way one would look after an R36

I am not looking to buy new, rather second hand (Novate Lease).

They will therefore be cheaper than the R36.

I understand they are bigger, and more likely to get bumps in the doors, but they are not a niche car, and still should be easier to offload in average condition if they get carpark marks. The suspension is softer, they have higher profille tyres, and they are more suitable for the crappy roads we have to deal with in Sydney.

I fully intend to continue to look after the new vehicle if we get it, as I have all my cars (from a 1983 WB ute, 97 Fairmont ghia to the passat).

I am more worried about the daily grind of Sydney and young children (plus loading prams etc. into the car) ruining the R36.

As I said it is still only in the early stages of discussion at this stage. Appreciate everyone's thoughts on the topic, as it is assisting us with the decision.

[R36 Dreamer]

OK, I have read this thread a couple of times and cant seem to fathom this cargument.

Hmmm... something seriously wrong with this equation. She wont sell her car but will let you drive it whilst she also gets the pick of the new vehicle!

IMO....you at some time will need to BOTH cars that can carry kids and the Mini is the thing thats gotta go here. Lets face the R36 is a practical family wagon PLUS performance to boot. Keeping the Mini and getting an SUV seems a loose loose to me.

Sell the Mini and get a second hand V6 Diesel Treg, both nice to drive, both practical and both worth about the same value, then its fair to you and your wife and can swap if and when required to suit the immediate needs of the day!

As mentioned in a previous thread (after your post) not only does she love the mini (as do I TBH), but it is owned outright, and we only want one vehicle on lease at any one time.

The Mini is an absolute Hoot to drive. It also suits life as a daily commuter which occassionally goes up the highway (Newcastle). There are also other running cost benefits mentioned previously.

The V6 Treg is on our list (but not the 2.5, only the 3L) of possible options we will be checking out as part of the process. It will also be around 60-70k, the mini is only worth about $35k.

Funnilly enough the Mini has anchor points, but I wouldn't want to be the one strapping the child into the back, talk about a strain on your back!

Hope this clarifies the position. It is not (only!) being Pu$$y whipped, but the minister for war and finance occassionally makes sense!

[Pana]

fair enough why i said in my post that we're just commenting on the basic argument without knowing the full details.

But apom makes a very very good point that it is better to have two cars that can share family duties rather than one family car and one that is entirely impractical. We tried that for a bit with the CR-V and my old WRX and in the end got too hard coz the rex was just too small.