Arteon (used) as R36 replacement?

[petemac110]

Here come the moderators.. go check out some reviews on well known parts from companys that fall apart champ or tunes that blow engines up from well known tuners.

Hehe... you didn't just "champ" him, did you? Surely that's ban-worthy on its own! hehe

[amunra]

Hehe... you didn't just "champ" him, did you? Surely that's ban-worthy on its own! hehe

[amunra]

Yes, I still think a modded standard airbox with turbo inlet is the bang-for-buck option which has been proven to flow sufficiently well for up to Stage 2 mods. I wasn't suggesting that the poster buy this... I was only noting that it was well priced at the moment vs other comparable options.

I'm running a JB4 with airbox mods on my Passat 206TSI and can attest to it being a great combo.

I'd be a little wary of suggesting that an aftermarket intercooler, inlet and intake tube wouldn't affect the engine and drivetrain warranty - do you have that in writing from VW Australia, as it's inconsistent with the terms of the warranty in the owners manual? From what I understand, any non-standard performance-enhancing parts present an opportunity for VW to point their finger at them and dispute an engine or drivetrain-related warranty claim.

i think enough ppl have shown up to their services and warrantys with those pieces on their car and havent had issues...lets face it there is little thats gonna go wrong with the cars except the cheap plastic parts that need replacing

[Manaz]

I'd be a little wary of suggesting that an aftermarket intercooler, inlet and intake tube wouldn't affect the engine and drivetrain warranty - do you have that in writing from VW Australia, as it's inconsistent with the terms of the warranty in the owners manual? From what I understand, any non-standard performance-enhancing parts present an opportunity for VW to point their finger at them and dispute an engine or drivetrain-related warranty claim.

As long as you understand that Australian consumer laws over-ride VW's interpretation of their own warranty documents, you're fine here. Unless they can prove a modification led to (or significantly contributed to) a failure in their product, VW cannot under our laws deny you warranty. VW can claim all the restrictions that they want in their warranty documentation, but at no stage can they override or reduce your protections under law in Australia.

For example: If you go in because your fuel pump has failed, and they point at an aftermarket air intake and say "it's modified, sorry, no warranty", you'd be well within your rights to tell them to try again, and tell them that you'll happily contact the ACCC to determine if their understanding of your rights as an Australian consumer is the same as VWs.

If you go in because your intake plenum's full of crap, and the inside of your engine's pitted, and they look at your aftermarket air intake and can show that it doesn't filter well, and has significantly contributed to the issue, then they're well within their rights to deny you warranty ON THAT SPECIFIC CLAIM. If you at the same time are also claiming a fuel pump issue, they are still bound by Australian law to remediate that under warranty (assuming it meets the requirements - failure due to design or manufacturing, has worn out/failed before a reasonable person would expect it to, etc).

And of course, if you try to claim warranty from VW on an aftermarket part, you're really just an idiot - they are not responsible for parts that you've put on the car after it left the factory/dealership outside of their control/consultation.

The length of warranty offered by VW is also largely irrelevant. If your DSG gearbox ****s itself the day after VW claim their warranty expires, but it's entirely reasonable to believe that the gearbox in an $80k car should last more than 5 years, and you can convince the ACCC of that (really not hard), then VW will be told to fix it. Ford tried to deny owners repairs of their DCT gearboxes in the Focus after only a few years, and they lost that case badly.

[Manaz]

A brand is not your mate .. its just some guys trying to make a $.. and a brandname doesnt make something x20 more reliable than the same part without the name.

Totally agree. But when the seller is operating as a business in Australia, they're bound by Australian consumer law. And that gives the buyer some protection.

[amunra]

As long as you understand that Australian consumer laws over-ride VW's interpretation of their own warranty documents, you're fine here. Unless they can prove a modification led to (or significantly contributed to) a failure in their product, VW cannot under our laws deny you warranty. VW can claim all the restrictions that they want in their warranty documentation, but at no stage can they override or reduce your protections under law in Australia.

For example: If you go in because your fuel pump has failed, and they point at an aftermarket air intake and say "it's modified, sorry, no warranty", you'd be well within your rights to tell them to try again, and tell them that you'll happily contact the ACCC to determine if their understanding of your rights as an Australian consumer is the same as VWs.

If you go in because your intake plenum's full of crap, and the inside of your engine's pitted, and they look at your aftermarket air intake and can show that it doesn't filter well, and has significantly contributed to the issue, then they're well within their rights to deny you warranty ON THAT SPECIFIC CLAIM. If you at the same time are also claiming a fuel pump issue, they are still bound by Australian law to remediate that under warranty (assuming it meets the requirements - failure due to design or manufacturing, has worn out/failed before a reasonable person would expect it to, etc).

And of course, if you try to claim warranty from VW on an aftermarket part, you're really just an idiot - they are not responsible for parts that you've put on the car after it left the factory/dealership outside of their control/consultation.

The length of warranty offered by VW is also largely irrelevant. If your DSG gearbox ****s itself the day after VW claim their warranty expires, but it's entirely reasonable to believe that the gearbox in an $80k car should last more than 5 years, and you can convince the ACCC of that (really not hard), then VW will be told to fix it. Ford tried to deny owners repairs of their DCT gearboxes in the Focus after only a few years, and they lost that case badly.

100%.. fair trading is ur friend.. theres heaps of cars going into the shops with replacement oem+ bits like intakes and elbows e.t.c as entry level mods before tuning.. and it should have been released from the factory with those bits .. service is gonna be hard pressed convincing someone ur waterpump warranty isnt valid (when its a known fault that vw refuses to fix) by an intercooler or some bits that keep your system cooler.... if you have a jb4 you can unplug it before you go in and ur good.

[petemac110]

As long as you understand that Australian consumer laws over-ride VW's interpretation of their own warranty documents, you're fine here. Unless they can prove a modification led to (or significantly contributed to) a failure in their product, VW cannot under our laws deny you warranty. VW can claim all the restrictions that they want in their warranty documentation, but at no stage can they override or reduce your protections under law in Australia.

Fully agreed. Sorry, I was being lazy with my original post and aimed for brevity in between meetings.

[amunra]

Fully agreed. Sorry, I was being lazy with my original post and aimed for brevity in between meetings.

the real business is going on here

[petemac110]

the real business is going on here

Amen to that!

[nermal]

Drove the R36 again the other night. It's really fun to drive and corners like it's on rails =)

The Stage 1 ECU/DSG tune on the Arteon has really helped the low end torque, but it's still a bit soggy/laggy (hopefully stage 2 will help with this). It also doesn't corner the same, even with sway bars - perhaps it's time to change them to the 'track' setting and/or investigate more suspension options.

The Arteon is more impressive if you're flooring it or have open roads and able to maintain momentum. But for driving around town, the R36 is more of a punchy beast.

Arteon is much more comfortable/luxurious, with better tech and (after Krytox'ing everything) less rattles, it also looks better and more "in fashion" of course.

Surprisingly, there isn't much advantage in fuel economy around the city (Arteon dominates on highway/continuous driving though) - but this is probably a combination of my driving style, engine tuning and disabling of the auto start/stop.

I typically choose the Arteon as my daily driver as it's comfortable and more reliable (I assume)... but still enjoy driving the R36.

[Manaz]

Drove the R36 again the other night. It's really fun to drive and corners like it's on rails =)

It is a slightly smaller car, and the R36 had a very nice stock setup. It was sold as a sporty car, not a sports luxury (as much as it was quite luxurious).

The Stage 1 ECU/DSG tune on the Arteon has really helped the low end torque, but it's still a bit soggy/laggy (hopefully stage 2 will help with this). It also doesn't corner the same, even with sway bars - perhaps it's time to change them to the 'track' setting and/or investigate more suspension options.

The tuning house should publish torque and power curves. That will tell you if the low-end improves with the stage 2 tune.

Worth trying the track settings, just so that you know how they behave. Sometimes though there's very little you can do to hide size and weight.

The Arteon is more impressive if you're flooring it or have open roads and able to maintain momentum. But for driving around town, the R36 is more of a punchy beast.

That makes sense. The VR6 engines are beautifully linear and tractable, with a lovely consistent acceleration character. And the noise...

The EA888 is a great engine too - but it is a different beast.

Arteon is much more comfortable/luxurious, with better tech and (after Krytox'ing everything) less rattles, it also looks better and more "in fashion" of course.

A few years can make a big difference in terms of style and functions. I do love the look of the R36, but the style IS showing its age. I do wonder if we do get the full-fat Arteon R if it will be any sportier than the R-Line we get now (that said, I do like the current sport luxury compromise).

Surprisingly, there isn't much advantage in fuel economy around the city (Arteon dominates on highway/continuous driving though) - but this is probably a combination of my driving style, engine tuning and disabling of the auto start/stop.

There's no getting around the difference between a 2L 4cylinder with a turbo that is activated on demand and has really high volumetric efficiency and an NA 3.6L narrow-angle V6 that has the dame effective displacement no matter what the conditions.

The VR6 sounds amazeballs though.

I typically choose the Arteon as my daily driver as it's comfortable and more reliable (I assume)... but still enjoy driving the R36.

I'd love to have both. But yeah, the Arteon is the likely candidate to replace my current car soon...