Difference between the 125 and 147 petrol models?

[jimbomort]

and to follow up on clips post at the start of this thread......

if doign the remap, its the Torque increase that you will really notice in everyday driving. The 147, picks up a wider band of peak torque, but peak torque figure is the same, and with that wider band comes the extra 22kw. But the APR upgrade adds about 45% extra to the torque peak and the increase over standard is quite noticeable from 1500rpm upwards.

[maca]

You people have failed to mention that the 147 isn't available in manual!

[Corey_R]

You people have failed to mention that the 147 isn't available in manual!

But it has the 550Nm Audi 7sp DSG... why on earth would you want to spoil that kinda goodness with a manual?!

[bmarshall]

But it has the 550Nm Audi 7sp DSG... why on earth would you want to spoil that kinda goodness with a manual?!

So I will have no problems towing a van or boat?

[Corey_R]

There is no difference in stated towing capacities between the manual and the DSG. 750kg unbraked, 2000kg braked.

[triode12]

But it has the 550Nm Audi 7sp DSG... why on earth would you want to spoil that kinda goodness with a manual?!

Is that 550Nm Audi 7sp DSG a wet plate or dry plate DSG?

[Corey_R]

Is that 550Nm Audi 7sp DSG a wet plate or dry plate DSG?

It features dual concentric wet multi-plate clutchs like the original 6sp DSG. The clutch design is upgraded and more complex though.


So we've got the 250Nm 7sp dry clutch DSG (not the 7sp used in the Tiguan), which weighs 70kg and uses 1.7L of oil. The original 350Nm 6sp wet clutch DSG which weighs 93kg and uses 6.5L of oil. The 550Nm 7sp wet clutch DSG which weighs 142kg and uses 11.8L of oil (interestingly, two separate oil systems, one for clutches and mechatronics, the other for the gears and diffs).Clarifi

[triode12]

It features dual concentric wet multi-plate clutchs like the original 6sp DSG. The clutch design is upgraded and more complex though.


So we've got the 250Nm 7sp dry clutch DSG, which weighs 70kg and uses 1.7L of oil. The original 350Nm 6sp wet clutch DSG which weighs 93kg and uses 6.5L of oil. The 550Nm 7sp wet clutch DSG which weighs 142kg and uses 11.8L of oil (interestingly, two separate oil systems, one for clutches and mechatronics, the other for the gears and diffs).

Thanks Corey - very interesting.

[epilot]

how does the 250NM DSG box cope with an APR upgrade

if the new 7 spd dsg is 250NM how will it cope with the apr upgrade to 402NM? or wont it?

[Sharkie]

if the new 7 spd dsg is 250NM how will it cope with the apr upgrade to 402NM? or wont it?

Corey_R was merely listing all the VW DSG gearboxes available .... 250NM DSG only in Polo's, Caddy's and Golfs.

All Tiguans get the 550NM 7spd DSG box ....

[99Reza]

Isn't the DSG in the Tig the 550Nm one? The stock engine has a torque of 280Nm, surely they won't put 250NM rated box in the car.

[epilot]

sharkie thanks, i read the post differently.

[Corey_R]

Yeah sorry guys, as per what Sharkie said. I was answering a question on details of the gearbox in the Tiguan (slightly OT) and obviously overlooked the confusion that some people have about there being two 7sp DSGs in use. I've edited my post to clarify that the 250Nm "dry clutch" 7sp DSG is not used in the Tiguan.

Cheers

[203132]

Old thread, but I got the chance to drive the 147 TSI when my 125 was in repairs.
the 235 17inch rims sure made a bloody big difference to the car imo. The car is so much more stable on poor road surfaces, turns with less body roll and the inside the car cabin was much quieter.

(The 147 was a DSG and mine is an automatic. Would it make a difference to noise inside the cabin or was it the tyre choice? Dunlop sports (not sure what model) vs Pirelli P6 215s)

The car just feels so much better with the 235 tyres. I think it makes the 147 just that tiny bit better

[RGE]

I took a test ride in a 125 before buying a 147 and for me one very noticeable difference is the seating. I found that the seat in the 125 just felt flat whereas the 147 seats have more pronounced rise in the seat bottom side edges giving you a more stable feel via 'the seat of your pants'.