Difference between the 125 and 147 petrol models?

[suparockin]

Hi - stupid question.

I've been cruising the dealers when I can but it seems no one has any cars to test drive - unbelievably annoying!

Anyway I initially wanted the following spec -

Tiguan 147
Leather trim
Sat Nav + Dynaudio
Window Tint
Metallic Paint
Mats

But it seems it'll get over $50K for that spec

So am considering dropping down to the 125 instead - have any of you drove both and decided the 125 was fast/strong enough? I'm not concerned about breaking land speed records or anything - just hoping not to have grannies beeping me to hurry up on country roads.

Your advice is appreciated!

[team_v]

125 + chip = 189

The 125 itself is capable enough to drive around in but the chip just makes it astounding.

I would reccomend not getting tinting done by VW as it will cost you an arm and a leg and can be done for almost half price elsewhere.
Mats can also be sourced from ebay cheaper than the stealer can sell them to you.
Depending on which options come with leather, it is also cheaper in most cases to get the seats re-uphosltered in leather after purchasing it.

Dynaudio is not going to be an option for me as I think sound system is fine as is, unless you want excellence in sound quality that is.
Satnav is a nice gimick but a tomtom will do the same for about $100 as oposed to $2k.

[suparockin]

125 + chip = 189

The 125 itself is capable enough to drive around in but the chip just makes it astounding.

I would reccomend not getting tinting done by VW as it will cost you an arm and a leg and can be done for almost half price elsewhere.
Mats can also be sourced from ebay cheaper than the stealer can sell them to you.
Depending on which options come with leather, it is also cheaper in most cases to get the seats re-uphosltered in leather after purchasing it.

Dynaudio is not going to be an option for me as I think sound system is fine as is, unless you want excellence in sound quality that is.
Satnav is a nice gimick but a tomtom will do the same for about $100 as oposed to $2k.

It's going to be a fleet car (work car) so not sure I could chip it, would it void the warrantee?

Was driving around town with an unchipped 125 car a drag?

I've heard the standard audio system, but again frustratingly, I am yet to hear the premium Dynaudio system - I'm just hoping it's much better.

I'v been toying with the idea of scratching the Sat Nav, but it's really one of the nicest features on the car - I currently have to fix an external tomtom thing and it's bloody annoying!

By the way, thanks so much for the quick reply!

[Sharkie]

I take it this is for the auto's if you are considering the 147.

The 125 is good to drive (drove a 125 auto 2 weeks ago with my brother) and as said 125 + chip = 190kw and 147 + chip = also 190kw. It is the exact same engine, 1 just detuned to differentiate the models on the market.

Personally I'd go the 147 (if only it came in a manual) just to get the wheels, RCD510, optical parking and seats. Is it worth $4200 extra though is the question.See below for a comparison

Tiguan 147 v 125 Specs differences

Front Foglights $400
Chrome trim around windows N/A
Chrome Roof rails N/A
17" Alloy wheels 235-55-17 N/A
Tinted Windows N/A
Low tyre presure indicator N/A


Dual Zone Climate control Comfort Pack $1000
Low lights sensor auto lights
auto dimming rearview mirror
illuminated vanity mirrors
rain sensor

Interior ambience lighting N/A
Folding tables in front seatbacks N/A
RCD510 + 6Cd Changer Audio N/A
Rear parking sensors Dealer Accessory $700
Optical Parking System N/A
Sports Front seats N/A
Lumbar adjustment - front seats N/A
Under front seat drawers N/A
Front Seat backrest storage N/A
Glasses case in roof lining N/A
Automatic transmission $2500


125 TSI Auto
36690 +
1000 Comfort +
400 Fogs +
700 Parking sensors
= 38790

147 TSI Auto
= 42990

Difference = 4200 (value of all N/A items?)

BTW, my brother decided on a 125 auto in the end as he did not see the value in the 147.

EDIT: if you get leather in the 125, you get the sport seats as well ..... I should have done that .... ... but I don't like leather and kids combined as the leather really suffers (scratches) with young kids .....

[suparockin]

Thanks for the comparison.

Another question - I guess if I get the 125 model then I'm not wasting money on the higher spec audio system that I will replace with the Sat Nav + Dynaudio?

Am thinking I might go for this spec instead -

Tiguan 125
Leather
Comfort Pack
Sat Nav + Dynaudio (this comes with reversing camera and sensors right?)
Fogs

[Sharkie]

Another question - I guess if I get the 125 model then I'm not wasting money on the higher spec audio system that I will replace with the Sat Nav + Dynaudio?

Sat Nav & Dynaudio is $4800 on the 125 and $4300 on the 147. So the RCD510 is worth $500 on its own.

Sat Nav + Dynaudio (this comes with reversing camera and sensors right?)

You will need to add Park Assist for $1400 to get that. Costs $500 more than to add it to a 147 and its down to the cost of the sensors.

[suparockin]

Quote came in for the 147

Tiguan 147 TSi Auto - $39,081
Leather - $ 3,363
RNS510 + Dynaudio - $ 3,454
Standard Bluetooth - $ 600
Tint - $ 250
Media Device Interface - $ 360
Metallic Paint - $ 727
Dealer Delivery - $ 904

Subtotal - $48,739

Fleet Discount - $3092

$45,647 + GST = $50,212

+ all the normal bits and pieces (stamp duty, Rego, CTP).

[team_v]

Seems like a good deal.
You got everything pretty cheap there.

Tinting was usually over $500.
Metallic paint is saving of $170

You should input the details in the tig spreadsheet to see what savings you would make

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AhdY_7HLEamrdHUtRmRuZXpwWE4tU3ZpenFGWDlPNUE&hl=en

[suparockin]

...it's also a good deal more expensive than what I'm supposed to spend, it's a work car.

I have to find something the equivalent value to a Ford G6E, so far as i can tell purchasing say thats about $40,500 + GST and on-roads.



Might have to re-think and get the 125.

[vincent]

125

Hi the 125 has really strong performance round the city - if you look at its spec compared to the 147 you will see it is essentially the same engine with the same low down torque but knobbled at the top end. Our other cars are a Golf GTI and a Boxster (and a large 4wd) - we have been really surprised by the 125 and in my view the 125 Tig will not leave you feeling underpowered in the city.

cheers

[Sharkie]

in my view the 125 Tig will not leave you feeling underpowered in the city.

Agreed, did a 100km today criscrossing Brisbane and was happy with the power all the way. A 125 is suprisingly punchy ....

.... even went past APR as well, hoping they were open so I could get the chip done .....

but alas they were closed, as I suspected .... .... will now have to go during the week to get it done ....

[DJY]

Go the 147!

grin but then again I'm biased!

I drove both... 125 was punchy... 147 was better.
Also I liked some of the other aspects of the 147 too.

Only factory orders get the cheaper prices for install on the 147 over the 125...
and only factory fitted SATNAV gets the reverse camera.

RCD510 is technically worth a lot more than $500 - list price is over $2000 (I'm going to sell mine now I upgraded to the RNS510).

[clip]

It's going to be a fleet car (work car) so not sure I could chip it, would it void the warrantee?

Firstly, your dealer may never even know it's there. Excerpt from APR's site:

"All APR chip upgrades use encryption, which serve several purposes. Mainly, it keeps prying eyes out of our software and prevents lesser companies from copying the chip and degrading the product. Also, all APR software is undetectable to a dealers VAG diagnostic tool.

Also:


"EMCS is available for this car. EMCS is APR's revolutionary patented Enhanced Modular Chipping System.... Want chipped mode? Want to be able to switch back to your stock settings? ....How about a valet mode that limits power? EMCS is the lone technology on the market that can give you all of these options. No changing of the chip or ECU is required. These programs are available at the touch of a button.

APR has taken your cruise control buttons and utilized them for this function. Your cruise control will continue to function as normal, but will give you the ability to scroll through the programs you have purchased on your APR chipped ECU. The procedure is simple and involves only two steps."

The whole system is protected with a user defined pin number that you can code in yourself. So even if someone suspected that it was chipped, they would not be able to access anything without your code. But at the end of the day, my dealer sold me the remap with the car. They were fine with it. However, I hear that some dealers are different. Maybe ask around and see if you can find out what your dealer's position is.

If you decide that the remap is a good idea, then the 125 makes more sense to me, and you will keep within your budget with the other goodies you want.

[Sharkie]

I drove both... 125 was punchy... 147 was better.
Also I liked some of the other aspects of the 147 too.
....

RCD510 is technically worth a lot more than $500 - list price is over $2000 (I'm going to sell mine now I upgraded to the RNS510).

Auto 125 slightly slower than the 147, manual 125 and 147 = dead equal performance wise ......

Chip both the autos and they are dead equal @ 190kw and in all performance aspects ...... 125 manual chipped quicker than both

Do like the additionals in the 147 though ...

RCD510s are selling for between $450-$550 on Ebay atm ... so it is in effect only worth about $500 regardless of what VW charges for it .....

[DJY]

It's going to be a fleet car (work car) so not sure I could chip it, would it void the warrantee?

Yes. Whilst many people say dealers often don't see it, or in some cases even point people in that direction... it is my understanding that it would. I didn't want problems - at least for my warranty period! I wanted a nice shiny new car that looked great, went well when I put my foot down, and had enough grunt loaded to get up hills!

I'v been toying with the idea of scratching the Sat Nav, but it's really one of the nicest features on the car - I currently have to fix an external tomtom thing and it's bloody annoying!

I used to have a TomTom as well... painful to put it on the windscreen, and didn't look ideal. I've also had a previous car been broken into for the TomTom... as had one member in here with his beloved Tiguan.

I read up lots about the aftermarket versions... but wasn't convinced...
and for me there were two factors to go VW.
1. I didn't want to loose the visual rear parking sensors on the main display
2. I didn't want any problems, wanted genuine for resale, and also one that had reliable warranty.

The software with the RNS510 is great! I've had a few sat nav's in the past... and driven various cars with factory fitted, and I think VW got it right! One of the best I've used!