Tuning / performance update

[08elf]

Oh yes and forgot to mention i've had the APR stage I software put on my 125TSI Tiguan and the performance is outstanding.

Currently 190kw and wanting more.......

[Sharkie]

Good to see 2 more 190TSI Tiguans joining the fold ..... ENJOY!!!

.... Currently 190kw and wanting more.......

Thats seems to be a common problem these days .... don't worry I'm on the job to research additional power options ....

[Guy_H]

Been looking into further development on exhaust & turbo upgrades.

No use using a K04 turbo on this motor - it requires a lot of modification to fit, and the APR stage 3 kit is Superior in every way, including spool up & torque across the range.

No plans from the US on a downpipe / exhaust, the clearance issue of the AWD drive train means a divorced wastegate downpipe is required to give the flow and volume (and body / tailshaft clearance) - so this means a setup similar to our Audi S3 / TTS / R20 GTI setup.

Any feedback on is it worth taking on the project for the Tiguan? Pricing will be similar to the S3 systems price (and we can build the cat-back system as well) ?

http://www.goapr.com.au/products/apr_exhaust_a3s3quattrofull.html

http://www.goapr.com.au/products/apr_exhaust_a3s3quattro-downpipe.html

[Sharkie]

Been looking into further development on exhaust & turbo upgrades.

No use using a K04 turbo on this motor - it requires a lot of modification to fit, and the APR stage 3 kit is Superior in every way, including spool up & torque across the range.

No plans from the US on a downpipe / exhaust, the clearance issue of the AWD drive train means a divorced wastegate downpipe is required to give the flow and volume (and body / tailshaft clearance) - so this means a setup similar to our Audi S3 / TTS / R20 GTI setup.

Any feedback on is it worth taking on the project for the Tiguan? Pricing will be similar to the S3 systems price (and we can build the cat-back system as well) ?

http://www.goapr.com.au/products/apr_exhaust_a3s3quattrofull.html

http://www.goapr.com.au/products/apr...-downpipe.html

I've been speaking to Guy about this yesterday and the S3 downpipe looks awesome and will deal with the clearance issues once adapted/copied with modifications. APR would need a few comitted buyers to be able to proceed (aprox 8-10 to recover the development costs).

So if you want (need) 1 might be a good idea to indicate your interest.

It will be fairly pricey (about $2500; hopefully less) but will provide an extra 10-12kw atw (15-20 on the engine). So 220kw Tiguan is a possibility ....

[Tigga1]

APR & Haldex

Guy
any feedback on the Haldex unit, have you installed a few and how are the reports?

Also, any news on your fishing trip up north...;-]

kind regards
Tigga

[08elf]

So........

Stage 1 is the ECU upgrade
Stage 2 would be the Carbon Intake, Intercooler
Stage 3 is the APR stage 3 kit with an upgraded turbo rated at 370hp (275kw)?

Do you need the exhaust for the stage 3 kit? or is the OEM one going to do the job?
Wouldn't the stage 3 kit get 220kw for the Tiguan easily?

[Pullstarter]

Stage 1 with fuel pump upgrade and intake (which I think is pretty much stage 2?) should be enough for 220kw @ the crank.

Pretty sure stage 3 comes with the exhaust and should be good for close to 300kw I imagine.

[Sharkie]

So........

Stage 1 is the ECU upgrade
Stage 2 would be the Carbon Intake, Intercooler
Stage 3 is the APR stage 3 kit with an upgraded turbo rated at 370hp (275kw)?

Do you need the exhaust for the stage 3 kit? or is the OEM one going to do the job?
Wouldn't the stage 3 kit get 220kw for the Tiguan easily?

Stg1 = ECU = 190kw
Stg1.5 = Stg1 + either Intake or Downpipe/exhaust = 200kw
Stg2 = Stg1 + Intake + Downpipe/exhaust = 210kw
Stg2.5 = Stg2 + Intercooler upgrade = still 210kw but stays there in hot wheather.
Stg 3= Stg2.5 + Turbo upgrade = 250kw+

You will need to do an exhaust for Stg3 OEM, will not do. Exhaust not included with Stg 3 unfortunately. Its a seperate item.....

Stage 1 with fuel pump upgrade and intake (which I think is pretty much stage 2?) should be enough for 220kw @ the crank.

Pretty sure stage 3 comes with the exhaust and should be good for close to 300kw I imagine.

The TSI engines (MK6 GTI and Tiguans) have the upgraded fuelpump already so no need for that.

[Pullstarter]

The TSI engines (MK6 GTI and Tiguans) have the upgraded fuelpump already so no need for that.

Hmm, someone should probably tell my APR dealer this then as he's under the impression the APR modded pump will get me an extra 20kw.

[Sharkie]

Hmm, someone should probably tell my APR dealer this then as he's under the impression the APR modded pump will get me an extra 20kw.

Trying to sell you something you don't need? ... or genuinely don't know? On the old GTI (Mk5) engine yes, but not the new TSIs I'm afraid.

Give Guy a call direct and have a chat to him about it.

PS ... tell him you want a downpipe as well while you're at it ...

[jimbomort]

Oh yes and forgot to mention i've had the APR stage I software put on my 125TSI Tiguan and the performance is outstanding.

Currently 190kw and wanting more.......

Having now tested out the get up and go on our APR stage 1 Tig, oh yeah totally agree, there is some serious get up and go there now and yes, should have done the torque arm insert same time, anyway will get that done in due course.

Of course the problem with power, well if you can call it a problem, is the more you have the more you want Still the APR stage 1 upgrade is such an improvement, at such a reasonable cost, are not further upgrades going to look expensive and poor value by comparison? Anyway that would be my dilemma, be nice to have more, but improvements from here on in are going to be significantly less dramatic and significantly more expensive to boot, and realistically, requiring a range of other mods to tyres and suspension to handle it. All good of course, and I'll keep posted with this thread, but probably count me out on making up the numbers for any further mods.

[jimbomort]

Demonstrated some of the get up and go of the Tig with APR stage 1 to my father and brother in Sydney recently - they were very impressed and that was with coming in with high expectations (as I had talked a lot about prior).

Agree too with a much earlier post I believe by CLIP on the Torque, from 2000 rpm on, the Torque is phenomenal - coming back from Sydney too far northern NSW there was not one hill on the pacific hwy that was remotely a struggle for the Tig at 100 in 6th (2000rpm), indeed you could feel the cruise backing off everytime on the hills, there was plenty to spare. Not only that but very few times where overtaking in anything but 6th was necessary - which made for a very relaxing trip. Of course I will be looking for excuses to use 4th for overtaking, lots of fun to be had there.

What I like most though is the oomph from launch - 1st gear is gone before you know it and 2nd winds out very quickly also. Be good to get a video of the speedo and tacko winding out from 0-100 (at Lakeside or the like). Nothing like a visual to give people the idea .

Shame though, that 1st wont get you too 60 or 2nd to 100, reckon it would be even quicker if didn't need to grab 3rd. Not that I have a lot too compare it with, but 6 seconds neat for 0-100 feels quite believable.

[Sharkie]

Over the Christmas period I have acquired the latest GTech-Pro SS and will be using it to do some performance tests ......

The Gtech-Pro SS is promised to be accurate to within 0.1s 0-100km/h and 400m.

Will be taking it with on my "test" drives of other cars as well and will be starting a log of what performs how ..... happy to post results from time to time in the future ......

Shame though, that 1st wont get you too 60 or 2nd to 100, reckon it would be even quicker if didn't need to grab 3rd. Not that I have a lot too compare it with, but 6 seconds neat for 0-100 feels quite believable.

I'm investigating changing the ratios in the manual gbox slightly. Will likely only implement once its out of warranty, but still be good to know its possible.

[clip]

Love your work sharkie, love your work!

eidt: just talking about the gearing today with some other guys. It would be so good to have taller gearing in 1st and 2nd - would just finish the car off as a total (and quite possibly, unbeatable) performance SUV package - at least in our opinion.

[juv3]

is this apr upgrade only available for 103TDI and 125TSI?
or also available for 147TSI

thanks