How much should I pay... Tiguan pricing.

[Tigman66]

103 TDI
6 speed Man
Comfort Pack
GPS/HDD/Reverse Cam
Metallic Paint.

$42.500 on road. June 2009.

[juv3]

import duty

guys,

i read in the news that gov lowering the import duty, will this affect our tiguan price - for ppl that waiting for they new tig

thanks

[team_v]

I am looking at the Tig tonight at the austral open evening.

Hoping to arrange somewhere around 30K for a white 125 with no options.
Will update if I get anywhere near that.

[Sharkie]

SUV's (Tiguans) were already at 5%, so no reduction in price I'm afraid.

New, team_v, I suspect you'd be looking at around $33K driveaway for a manual white with no options ......

[team_v]

SUV's (Tiguans) were already at 5%, so no reduction in price I'm afraid.

New, team_v, I suspect you'd be looking at around $33K driveaway for a manual white with no options ......

I didn't know about the 5% import for SUV's, that may bump up the expected price.

I am expecting to arrange 33-34k drive away then possibly bargain down with other devices to 31-32.

Shall see you there Sharkie.

[juv3]

SUV's (Tiguans) were already at 5%, so no reduction in price I'm afraid.

never know that

thanks sharkie for confirming that

[team_v]

So after the test-drive I am now definitely getting the Tig.
The only problem is that i am torn between the 125TSI (to be 190) and the 103TDI (to be 125)

After taking into account the price difference for the car, servicing, PULP and Diesel (and diesel conditioner), insurance (no difference) and rego (no difference), the saving for going petrol is $3018 which will be even after 9 years with the dicounted price for diesel.

Is there any other hidden costs that i am not taking into account?

Should have a proper quote for the car's this week and an average fuel price to go with an average fuel consumption figure from the consumption thread to allow a proper decission.

[midlifecrisis]

So after the test-drive I am now definitely getting the Tig.
The only problem is that i am torn between the 125TSI (to be 190) and the 103TDI (to be 125)

After taking into account the price difference for the car, servicing, PULP and Diesel (and diesel conditioner), insurance (no difference) and rego (no difference), the saving for going petrol is $3018 which will be even after 9 years with the dicounted price for diesel.

Is there any other hidden costs that i am not taking into account?

Should have a proper quote for the car's this week and an average fuel price to go with an average fuel consumption figure from the consumption thread to allow a proper decission.

I asked around recently of mechanic friends. Diesels cost more to service, really need a warm up each run for efficiency, and can be a real problem if you run out of fuel to get restarted.

[Arctra]

I asked around recently of mechanic friends. Diesels cost more to service, really need a warm up each run for efficiency, and can be a real problem if you run out of fuel to get restarted.

With the restarting after running out of fuel, it'll be the same with any fuel injected engine including the TSI.

Servicing costs are more, yes. Take a look at the table I posted in the Care & Info sheet (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newf...07&postcount=6) for an idea of how much more.

I have done the sums before on the payoff period for the TDI's extra over the petrol variants and also came up with a long payoff period. So if you don't plan on keeping your Tig around for a decade or so, then maybe the TSI is for you.

I have a TDI because I love oil burners. If you take a truely objective view where you weigh up the extra cost of the TDI for the benefits it offers, with the current 125TSI+remap I think you'll struggle to justify the TDI. I have looked at Sharkie's argument long and hard about the rev range that max torque is availble at for both engines and the TSI does actually have a higher average torque over a longer range. So the TDI traditional argument of torque is somewhat countered by the fantastic TSI engine.

But there's something about the diesel I just can't get over, and I love the TDI. So I understand it's not an easy choice for you.

[team_v]

I asked around recently of mechanic friends. Diesels cost more to service, really need a warm up each run for efficiency, and can be a real problem if you run out of fuel to get restarted.

Yeah the servicing costs are generally $50 more in the diesel for the small services but the big services are further apart than the petrol so you only have a $300 difference in servicing costs over the life of the car to 180,000km.

The warm up isn't really an issue as i wouldn't be tearing off down the road as soon as i get in to any of the cars.
I do know you are meant to keep off boost until the engine warms up.

Running out of fuel is a pain in the diesel, had it happen in the parent's landcruiser and i agree a petrol would be much much better for that but i haven't run out of fuel ever so far.
I hardly let it slip into the bottom quarter of the tank in my current car.

The more i look at it, the more the diesel is a more viable option and is probably more what i "need" but the petrol has that massive amount of power and torque available (especially after help from APR) which just made me smile the whole test-drive. Having said that, it is more of a want than a need for the 125TSI as i wouldn't be doing over 100km anyway and i probably don't need to accelerate rapidly all the time.

I need more time to cool down from the 125 test-drive and settle my head lol.

[jimbomort]

......The more i look at it, the more the diesel is a more viable option and is probably more what i "need" .......it is more of a want than a need for the 125TSI as i wouldn't be doing over 100km anyway and i probably don't need to accelerate rapidly all the time.

I need more time to cool down from the 125 test-drive and settle my head lol.

a more viable option? I'm confused, you said the Diesel will cost more over the life of owndership and that effectively there wont be any saving even with current low diesel prices (which wont last either, as soon as demand for diesel picks up in China, diesel will be same price as premium, if not more, it was that way just a 18 months or so ago). Doesn't that argue for the petrol?

If you are worried about the APR stage 1 expenditure closing the gap, then dont, the 125 is quite good stock anyway, and if you want to do the remap for the diesel then argument gets even stronger, as diesel remap costs more than the petrol remap (with oetinnger anyway).

IMO buying a new car is more a want than a need in itself - right from the outset - it rarely makes good economic sense. Therefore in my way of thinking, get what you want, get what fills your heart with joy. Sure dont buy a car you cant live with day to day, but thats not an issue here, for your choice, this is a heart decision, not a head one.

Even if you dont use the acceleration much, sounds like it will put a smile on your dial whenever you do and the torque from 2000rpm onwards is impressive. With the APR tune in the manual, you've got stacks of go when you need it and good fuel economy when you dont. I've never driven a more rewarding or better engine (except perhaps the time I hired a porsche boxer, but even then 125 is way more tractable)

Either way Im sure you will be happy. Go the diesel if you think economy is much more for you, but even then, on green vehicle gudie, the petrol and diesel are about neck and neck on overall rating. Better still, if that is an issue to consider for you, save your money, buy the petrol and offset your entire emissions with Greenfleet or the like, will cost you less than $100 a year.

[team_v]

a more viable option? I'm confused, you said the Diesel will cost more over the life of owndership and that effectively there wont be any saving even with current low diesel prices (which wont last either, as soon as demand for diesel picks up in China, diesel will be same price as premium, if not more, it was that way just a 18 months or so ago). Doesn't that argue for the petrol?

If you are worried about the APR stage 1 expenditure closing the gap, then dont, the 125 is quite good stock anyway, and if you want to do the remap for the diesel then argument gets even stronger, as diesel remap costs more than the petrol remap (with oetinnger anyway).

IMO buying a new car is more a want than a need in itself - right from the outset - it rarely makes good economic sense. Therefore in my way of thinking, get what you want, get what fills your heart with joy. Sure dont buy a car you cant live with day to day, but thats not an issue here, for your choice, this is a heart decision, not a head one.

Even if you dont use the acceleration much, sounds like it will put a smile on your dial whenever you do and the torque from 2000rpm onwards is impressive. With the APR tune in the manual, you've got stacks of go when you need it and good fuel economy when you dont. I've never driven a more rewarding or better engine (except perhaps the time I hired a porsche boxer, but even then 125 is way more tractable)

Either way Im sure you will be happy. Go the diesel if you think economy is much more for you, but even then, on green vehicle gudie, the petrol and diesel are about neck and neck on overall rating.

I believe the diesel is probably more viable for me becasue i don't "need" the power from the 125 (190) and if i had it i wopuld probably end up with fuel consumption figures of about 12-13l/100km and numerous speeding fines.
The diesel is a more practical option and with a chip would provide enough power to get around comfortably fast yet also give me great fuel consumption.

The other worry is fuel availability, assumably diesel will stay the same for quite some time due to machinery etc needing it, however i don't know what will happen in 10 years time with PULP. There is also the bi-annual trip to Adelaide which i know diesel will be available but can't remember if PULP was.

I am leaning towards the petrol becasue of the enjoyment and APR map however the economy of the diesel and the parity in price after 9 years and then better value for money after that keeps chipping away at my desire for the 125TSI.

Thanks for the input though, i am certainly on the 125/190 train, just looking at other options before i take the plunge.

[team_v]

Little bit of an update for you.

Contacted Northstar VW (Redcliffe) and arranged a drive-away price for a base spec 125 for 34k drive away.

The person i dealt with has since left and a new staff member contacted me in regards to my required vehicle.

I asked if it was possible to achieve a discount with trade in and cash payment and was told that the discount value i was after was not achievable and that original drive away price was 38,600 even though the Tiguan advert i saw on the tv last night has drive away prices from 37,000 (base spec 125 manual should be that price then????).


Looks like i will be going through a broker to save the hassel.
Looking at Privatefleet to purchase the car thorough.
Anyone dealt with these guys before?

Any other alternatives?

Thanks

[vvsingh]

Did u get the quote in writing?
Was the price quoted in Dec or Jan? the business tax break may influence pricing albeit I would imagine it to be lesser in jan.

Many VW dealers in the ocean- just goto another one I'd say. Based on the spreadsheet and your quote, I am sure u can do better.

[team_v]

Did u get the quote in writing?
Was the price quoted in Dec or Jan? the business tax break may influence pricing albeit I would imagine it to be lesser in jan.

Many VW dealers in the ocean- just goto another one I'd say. Based on the spreadsheet and your quote, I am sure u can do better.

I was advised by email that the price of around 34k should be achievable if i was to wait until the end of financial year and if the tiguan pricing stayed the same.

The was no corporate discount or any other discount spoken about and the tax break was also not brought up as the purchase was meant to be for this year.

I am in contact with Austral and may contact sunshine coast vw, however at the moment, Privatefleet is looking pretty good.