I scored a Tiquan deal thread

[Sharkie]

There is a new Pearl Black 125TSI (man) available for immediate delivery in Brissy. Not sure about the other specs though. May be worth somebody's time to check it out.

I'd want a silver with certain specs, so I'll still wait ..... waiting on info from APR on their testing this month anyway.

[Pullstarter]

There is a new Pearl Black 125TSI (man) available for immediate delivery in Brissy. Not sure about the other specs though. May be worth somebody's time to check it out.

I'd want a silver with certain specs, so I'll still wait ..... waiting on info from APR on their testing this month anyway.

Yeah I'm eagerly awaiting the APR results too. Must say the whole possible voided warranty thing does worry me though.

I initially only wanted a bog stock Tiggy in black manual with fogs but the one i've ordered was on the way and only ended up being about $500 dearer for the comfort and offroad package after some negotaiting. It was spend the extra $500 for $1200 worth of accessories or wait 5 months to save $500. 500 smackers aint that much in the grand scheme of things.

[Johnno]

The thing that probably astounds me most is that a $36k car can so quickly jump to $50k once you put a few options on it. There was a vehicle in stock which met my specs (auto, fog, comfort, sat). BUT it also had wheels that I didn't particularly want. Rather than negotiate a price or change the wheels, I ended up walking out of the Parramatta dealership pi$$ed off because of all the jacked-up prices on things I didn't want. By the way, I am still waiting for a callback from Waitara VW after 3 weeks. I can drive-away an optioned-out Subi for much less, probably will go that option.

[motk]

The thing that probably astounds me most is that a $36k car can so quickly jump to $50k once you put a few options on it. There was a vehicle in stock which met my specs (auto, fog, comfort, sat). BUT it also had wheels that I didn't particularly want. Rather than negotiate a price or change the wheels, I ended up walking out of the Parramatta dealership pi$$ed off because of all the jacked-up prices on things I didn't want. By the way, I am still waiting for a callback from Waitara VW after 3 weeks. I can drive-away an optioned-out Subi for much less, probably will go that option.

This is probably the main reason that kept up in a Golf - the jaw-dropping, BMW-esque pricing on the options. Madness, considering the kick inna fork you take for resale on the fruit!

A 2nd hand Tiguan may be of interest in a year or two.

[NZTiguan]

The thing that probably astounds me most is that a $36k car can so quickly jump to $50k once you put a few options on it. There was a vehicle in stock which met my specs (auto, fog, comfort, sat). BUT it also had wheels that I didn't particularly want. Rather than negotiate a price or change the wheels, I ended up walking out of the Parramatta dealership pi$$ed off because of all the jacked-up prices on things I didn't want. By the way, I am still waiting for a callback from Waitara VW after 3 weeks. I can drive-away an optioned-out Subi for much less, probably will go that option.

Which is fine IF you want a run of the mill bit of Jap kit rather than the latest and best engineered small SUV in the world. Don't let anybody ever con you into believing that a Sub and a Tig are even in the same ball park cos they're not, one drive's all it takes to dispel that claim.

[Sharkie]

Actually new Forrester has a better engine and AWD setup than the Tiguan. It is let down by the looks (both exterior and especially interior) and handling setup.

The VW has a better image than the Subi but the Forrester will likely have a better resale in 3 yrs time.

I like both but prefer the German engineering bit and the image ....... even though it will hurt in 3yrs time ..... VWs just do not have really good resale values in Oz.

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As I said once before - the less Tigs on the road, the better .

[Pullstarter]

Woot! Snob value!! LOL I must admit most people I've told about ordering one have never heard of them. I'll second Sharkie's remarks about the interior of the Forester, just plain nasty!!

[NZTiguan]

Actually new Forrester has a better engine and AWD setup than the Tiguan.

Sorry but that's total bollocks, certainly if you're talking Diesel and Track and Field pack. The electronics of the 4WD on the Tig is miles ahead of the Forrester PLUS on the road the Tig makes the Forrester look like it should be called the Lumberjack !!

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Woot! Snob value!!

lol, actually I was thinking more demand at resale time - but snob value's OK too!

[Sharkie]

Sorry but that's total bollocks, certainly if you're talking Diesel and Track and Field pack. The electronics of the 4WD on the Tig is miles ahead of the Forrester PLUS on the road the Tig makes the Forrester look like it should be called the Lumberjack !!

2.5T WRX engine in the Forrester XT is a much better (and proven) engine than any in the Tiguan (including the diesel). Forrester also has permanent mechanical AWD with 50:50 split F:R which is much better than the electronic 4Motion setup. For a premium small SUV this is as good as it gets (for the price).

I did say that the handling is below par and especially the quality of the interior.

There is no use in being blinded to the quailities of other brands, you have to be realistic about what you drive. In some aspects the Subi is better and in some not.

Overall for me, the Tiguan is the better car, but definately not perfect.

[NZTiguan]

2.5T WRX engine in the Forrester XT is a much better (and proven) engine than any in the Tiguan (including the diesel). Forrester also has permanent mechanical AWD with 50:50 split F:R which is much better than the electronic 4Motion setup. For a premium small SUV this is as good as it gets (for the price).

Sorry says who ?? the 50/50 split is about as archaic as you can get and nowhere near as efficient or practical as the latest generation system in the Tig (and all the newer SUVs) particularly off-road (with the off-road pack) where the Tigs ability to lock its diffs, place all the power through only the wheels that have grip etc will walk over any Sub.

The engine is better ? once again says who ? and compared to what ? and for what ? once again all the Tigs engines are latest generation, and extremely efficient in comparison to any of the opposition.

Blinded to other brands ? don't think so mate, I've owned 7 new vehicles from Korea, Japan, Ausi, GB and now Germany. I test drove the new Sub amongst nearly a dozen other small SUVs and I'm certainly not blind to the failings of the Tig (all vehicles have them) but your suggestions that the Sub is BETTER in both the engine and 4WD system are IMHO totally off the mark.

Never suggested the Tig was perfect and personally I think the Sub was just holding second place BUT it's miles back and new vehicles from Audi, Volvo, Renault and BMW are in Tig territory whereas the Sub is reaching the end of its road and going backwards due to its old technology. Sub are going to have to totally rethink their systems (which I'm sure they're doing as we speak) cos at the moment the only benefit they have have over Tig and all the new arrivals is price.

[Sharkie]

I have no doubt the Tig is much better offroad for a small SUV, not that I'd ever take either seriously offroad anyway. I have a DualCab diesel turbo with proper low range and lifted suspension just for that ....

AND, while the diesel in theTig may be current gen, the petrol engines have already been superseeded and are now "old". The new gen 2.0TFSI's seen 1st in the A4, Q5 and soon in the new Golf GTI is very different to the Tig's engines. The only thing they share is the displacement, almost everything else is new.

AND for on the road spirited driving mechanical AWD is much better ... the reason Audi has now gone back to it for the A4 Quattro and Q5 .....

An "upgrade" for 4Motion cars commonly is the Haldex clutch .... why? to actually make it a more permanent 50:50 type split rather than 90:10 ....

Don't get me wrong, I like the Tig and might actually still buy one as it is the best small SUV out there atm. Just waiting to see what deals come around in June .....

And sorry to say but the BMW, Volvo and Audi smallish SUVs are in another class yet again. All of them drive better, are quicker and less capable offroad and cost much much more

[NZTiguan]

An "upgrade" for 4Motion cars commonly is the Haldex clutch .... why? to actually make it a more permanent 50:50 type split rather than 90:10 ....

Sorry you've lost me there, the Tiguan HAS the latest generation of the Haldex system ??

[Sharkie]

Sorry you've lost me there, the Tiguan HAS the latest generation of the Haldex system ??

It does have Haldex as std, however an upgrade to it is available and very popular amongst anybody driving a performance VAG car with 4Motion ......

Also if the std Haldex was that good, why would Haldex themselves develop an enhanced module to be sold aftermarket ? .....

http://www.goapr.com.au/products/haldex.html

to quote from APR

"Why would you upgrade?

The new Haldex Performance Controller is a total replacement of the mechanical and electronic controller that directly affects how the RWD portion of the AWD system works and how aggressively it reacts under acceleration, cornering and braking. "

In particular look at the torque transfer graphs. Stock Haldex is actually pretty cr@p.