Tuning Discussion - 132TSI / 162TSI

[Guest]

Hi all,

I'm about to place an order but there is one thing that's unclear to me at the moment.

I've read on the forum that the only difference between 132 TSI and 162 TSI engines is the different state of tune.

Does it mean they are mechanically absolutely identical? No reinforced internals or other components etc etc.

I'm looking at just the engine, and its potential for tuning at this point. The idea would be to go for the 132 TSI and wait for warranty to run out, then modify.

Apologies if this has already been discussed elsewhere, and my lack of knowledge of VW engines!

[tigger73]

Yes this was certainly the case for the first generation Tiguan and I'm almost certain that this will be similar for the second gen Tig.

I strongly suspect that the 132TSI is just a detuned version of the 162TSI. When you put a stage 1 tune on both engines you'll likely end up at the same place.

However for the first 3 years of ownership you'll be driving around a faster car if you get the 162TSI

[Greg Roles]

Yep spot on, they have the same ceiling, just the 132 gains more getting there.

You can find yourself a multichannel piggyback during warranty period, and take it off each service, leaves zero trace on the ECU, they are just a more linear tune, with much less overall "resolution" and low down response. Does the insanely cheap Berger do one?

[Creampuff]

I too was waiting for 3 years...long wait..haha

[Gladbach]

Just a question on this - if the engines are the same between the 132TSI and 162TSI, what would account for the extra 37KG between those two models? They're both highlines, so just wondering where the weight would come from apart from the engine? Legitimate question - this stuff is a bit over my head.

[tigger73]

Just a question on this - if the engines are the same between the 132TSI and 162TSI, what would account for the extra 37KG between those two models? They're both highlines, so just wondering where the weight would come from apart from the engine? Legitimate question - this stuff is a bit over my head.

162TSI is Highline vs 132TSI is Comfortline

Main weight differences are electric leather seats, a bunch of extra trims, power folding mirrors, 18's instead of 17's and an electric tailgate. I suspect there's an extra 10kg+ alone in the electric tailgate.

[cellrsx]

Just a question on this - if the engines are the same between the 132TSI and 162TSI, what would account for the extra 37KG between those two models? They're both highlines, so just wondering where the weight would come from apart from the engine? Legitimate question - this stuff is a bit over my head.

Larger rims on the Highline and the leather upholstery would add to the weight.

[Bassik]

Yep spot on, they have the same ceiling, just the 132 gains more getting there.

You can find yourself a multichannel piggyback during warranty period, and take it off each service, leaves zero trace on the ECU, they are just a more linear tune, with much less overall "resolution" and low down response. Does the insanely cheap Berger do one?

Just in relation to this, can't VW tell that if you have piggy back tune on the engine by looking at O2 emissions and fuel ratings what not? Doesn't a piggy essentially trick the engine to thinking there is no ECU and it takes a while for the ECU to calibrate to the piggy back device. Thus if you take into a VW dealer and they conduct a diagnosis they will see somethings not right?

[Gladbach]

162TSI is Highline vs 132TSI is Comfortline

Main weight differences are electric leather seats, a bunch of extra trims, power folding mirrors, 18's instead of 17's and an electric tailgate. I suspect there's an extra 10kg+ alone in the electric tailgate.

Yeah, my bad, I forgot that the 132TSI was a Comfortline. That all makes sense.

[tigger73]

Just in relation to this, can't VW tell that if you have piggy back tune on the engine by looking at O2 emissions and fuel ratings what not? Doesn't a piggy essentially trick the engine to thinking there is no ECU and it takes a while for the ECU to calibrate to the piggy back device. Thus if you take into a VW dealer and they conduct a diagnosis they will see somethings not right?

The answer to this is yes there's no "undetectable" power increase as there's stored parameters for maximum power, boost, etc. So even though you might not have changed the software in your ECU, you've still run your car outside manufacturers specs and in the end this can be enough to void your warranty.

It just depends how deep the dealer looks, and also how far VW goes with their diagnostic system which your car will no doubt get hooked up to if you have a warranty claim on your engine/drivetrain.

Some people will wait until their warranty expires to modify, however there is essentially no difference if you break your car under warranty or out of warranty - your car is still broken and needs to get fixed.

[Bassik]

The answer to this is yes there's no "undetectable" power increase as there's stored parameters for maximum power, boost, etc. So even though you might not have changed the software in your ECU, you've still run your car outside manufacturers specs and in the end this can be enough to void your warranty.

It just depends how deep the dealer looks, and also how far VW goes with their diagnostic system which your car will no doubt get hooked up to if you have a warranty claim on your engine/drivetrain.

Some people will wait until their warranty expires to modify, however there is essentially no difference if you break your car under warranty or out of warranty - your car is still broken and needs to get fixed.

Yes but I'd be wary that this is a new car and new engine. Some people won't want to run that risk. Waiting for out of warranty claims means you will need to get the car fixed regardless, however if you are in the warranty period and you have a tune and it's an engine failure VW will try everything to blame it on you and you could be up for some hefty costs.

The 162tsi IMO will be pretty decent nonetheless as when I drove the 132tsi I felt it was pretty decent. 30kw more would be noticeable to say the least. Having said all this my Golf is tuned and to this day haven't had one issue at all. It's the best thing I've done by far.


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[IggyPopTiggy]

Well, I've put in an order. Black R-Line 162tsi. Let's see how long I last before the tune. I've owned a 5.7l twin turbo before. Now an N/A 4.2l v8. Will probably need to check into a clinic for adjustment. But I had no sunroof; or active info display....

I give myself two months.

[REXman]

Well, I've put in an order. Black R-Line 162tsi. Let's see how long I last before the tune. I've owned a 5.7l twin turbo before. Now an N/A 4.2l v8. Will probably need to check into a clinic for adjustment. But I had no sunroof; or active info display....

I give myself two months.

Lol well done. Ive just done the same. Black 162 TSI. DAP. Pretty excited.. I'm already looking for a tune and DP.. if possible.. but cant seem to find one.. when do the brands normally come out with them - after launch? I thought its the same motor as the GTI, so should be straight forward ? Should be good with the tough gearbox.

[Greg Roles]

Thing is the dump pipes for the FWD GTI don't have to worry about the 4x4 driveshaft, you'd be best to look to Europe and see if Milltek, Supersprint, Jetex, or any of the numerous UK based ones like Scorpion have anything.

[TIG162R]

Lol well done. Ive just done the same. Black 162 TSI. DAP. Pretty excited.. I'm already looking for a tune and DP.. if possible.. but cant seem to find one.. when do the brands normally come out with them - after launch? I thought its the same motor as the GTI, so should be straight forward ? Should be good with the tough gearbox.

I'm looking at getting this for my 162TSi:
CRTD4 Multi-Channel Petrol Tuning Box Chip (New Release) | Diesel Chip Tuning Multi-Channel Petrol Tuning Box Chip