MY17/MQB Platform Tiguan Discussion Thread

[tigger73]

Yeah well you can't take too much from those photos - other than VW are obviously quite a way into testing the new model.

Almost certainly it's going to have the GTI motor, a diesel (135kW GTD motor??) and quite possibly an entry level FWD variant (assuming VW follow the same formula).

I'm certainly interested in the tunability of the Gen3 EA888 with stage 2 heading up towards 250kW??

[Ramee]

Yeah well you can't take too much from those photos - other than VW are obviously quite a way into testing the new model.

Almost certainly it's going to have the GTI motor, a diesel (135kW GTD motor??) and quite possibly an entry level FWD variant (assuming VW follow the same formula).

I'm certainly interested in the tunability of the Gen3 EA888 with stage 2 heading up towards 250kW??

Yeah APR advertised 235 kw peak value for GEN 3 165kW GTI engine with stage 1.


So stage 2 probably around 250 kW but will improve the area under the graphs.

Also here is an interesting article about Gen 3 engines compared to Gen 1 and 2, based on it VW has taken lot of measures to reduce friction, control heat generation and improve the low end torque and fuel economy.

Green Car Congress: VW introducing 1.8L EA888 Gen 3 engine in 2014 Jetta, Passat and Beetle; driving impressions


But if I ended up with a Gen 3 Tig I will start tuning by upgrading turbo straight away to a golf R one

[tigger73]

...which is exactly why I am looking to hold off until the Gen3 motors become available in the Tig.

I'd agree that if you are thinking of upgrading the turbo you should do this as a first step (saves paying for the tunes/work twice).

Though I'm still of the opinion that having a super car as a daily driver when most of the speed limits are 50/60/80 km/hr is a bit of a waste of time. Sure if you're going to run your car on the track it makes some sense but for a daily road car I'd probably still only go as far as a stage 2.

[tigger73]

Dropped through one of the local dealers yesterday and rumour is that MY15 models should be available for order sometime next week with cars out in September.... still waiting to have this confirmed but this would line up with dates/times for other MY changes.

[99Reza]

I traded in my Tiggy few weeks ago to the new Octavia RS TSI. Yup, it's definitely worth to wait for the new MQB platform vehicle, Tiggy included.

First, the drivetrain, engine is a cracker. Very linear power delivery and muscular, for the 162TSI at least. The DSG is very good, in term of smoothness and programming. None of those bipolar programming we all too familiar with the current DSG in the Tiggy. I rarely use the flappy paddle on the RS, it's that good.

Second, the ride refinement. Not sure how the chassis on the new Tiggy will be set up, on the RS the ride is quite firm and noisy but extremely refined and resolved, very close to a current model C-class. In my opinion this has something to do with the new chassis, i think VAG has significantly strengthen the chassis to provide better ride without resorting to a stiffer suspension.

If the RS is anything to goes by, the next gen Tiggy will be a very good machine.

[schmenz]

Yup that's true. In waiting back on them to confirm price and putting my order in.
Only 1 black with sunroof on it's way to qld so I'll have to wait a little longer. I told him white (which he is getting) isn't an option! Hahaha

[Ramee]

Dropped through one of the local dealers yesterday and rumour is that MY15 models should be available for order sometime next week with cars out in September.... still waiting to have this confirmed but this would line up with dates/times for other MY changes.

Hopefully we get the R line Tigs with this My15 versions, So I can get a R line rear bumper as a spare part. Already tried to get one from overseas but most couriers don't do that big parcels.

[tigger73]

Hopefully we get the R line Tigs with this My15 versions, So I can get a R line rear bumper as a spare part. Already tried to get one from overseas but most couriers don't do that big parcels.

Ramee you'll definitely see the R-line locally. The body kit will be standard on the 155TSI and ~$2.5k option on the 132TSI/130TDI.

I'm sure you'll be able to order rear bumpers if you've modified the stock one for twin exit exhausts. It won't be cheap option because once you get it, you'll still have to get it sprayed.

[Ramee]

Ramee you'll definitely see the R-line locally. The body kit will be standard on the 155TSI and ~$2.5k option on the 132TSI/130TDI.

I'm sure you'll be able to order rear bumpers if you've modified the stock one for twin exit exhausts. It won't be cheap option because once you get it, you'll still have to get it sprayed.

Good news! thanks tigger, So if we be able to get that complete body kit separately for 2.5 K I am considering it.
Plan is to modify R Line bumper as it makes twin exhaust looks very pretty.

[tigger73]

Good news! thanks tigger, So if we be able to get that complete body kit separately for 2.5 K I am considering it.
Plan is to modify R Line bumper as it makes twin exhaust looks very pretty.

I doubt you'll get much change from $5k for the bits bought through VW spare parts (don't worry I've been down this path already). Then you have to paint and get fitted which will be $8-10k by the time it gets on your car.

That's why the $2.5k option for factory fitment is such a good deal.

[Ramee]

I doubt you'll get much change from $5k for the bits bought through VW spare parts (don't worry I've been down this path already). Then you have to paint and get fitted which will be $8-10k by the time it gets on your car.

yeah too bad! that is enough money for a GTX or new engine.

[Polo GTEye N9]

I traded in my Tiggy few weeks ago to the new Octavia RS TSI. Yup, it's definitely worth to wait for the new MQB platform vehicle, Tiggy included.

First, the drivetrain, engine is a cracker. Very linear power delivery and muscular, for the 162TSI at least. The DSG is very good, in term of smoothness and programming. None of those bipolar programming we all too familiar with the current DSG in the Tiggy. I rarely use the flappy paddle on the RS, it's that good.

Second, the ride refinement. Not sure how the chassis on the new Tiggy will be set up, on the RS the ride is quite firm and noisy but extremely refined and resolved, very close to a current model C-class. In my opinion this has something to do with the new chassis, i think VAG has significantly strengthen the chassis to provide better ride without resorting to a stiffer suspension.

If the RS is anything to goes by, the next gen Tiggy will be a very good machine.

Got to test drive a MY14 April 2014 build date vRS Estate TDi with DSG and as 99Reza said the drivetrain, engine is a cracker. Very linear power delivery from the muscular TDi. The DSG is very good. It was that easy to drive with torque doing all the work, it was very deceptive and is potent than it seemed. On the motorway there was a little wind noise. Very nice.

Yesterday we made the effort to drive a MY14 Tiguan DSG TDi Pacific. Sadly the vRS is so good it got our attention and now there is another but........ the Tiguan works better for our requirements.

So do we wait for the MY15 Tiguan?

Cheers Al

[tigger73]

Got to test drive a MY14 April 2014 build date vRS Estate TDi with DSG and as 99Reza said the drivetrain, engine is a cracker. Very linear power delivery from the muscular TDi. The DSG is very good. It was that easy to drive with torque doing all the work, it was very deceptive and is potent than it seemed. On the motorway there was a little wind noise. Very nice.

Yesterday we made the effort to drive a MY14 Tiguan DSG TDi Pacific. Sadly the vRS is so good it got our attention and now there is another but........ the Tiguan works better for our requirements.

So do we wait for the MY15 Tiguan?

Cheers Al

If you're after a diesel Tig I'd be waiting for the MY15. The MY15 in the diesel has the 130TDI motor (MY14 has 103TDI). It will also have a lot more standard features, and if you're keen on it there will likely be an R-line body kit for these too. These should be available for order very shortly and first dealer stock should be here in September(ish).

This will still be based on the Mk6 Golf (MQB platform Tig is still 12+ months away), so if you need to do something in the short term I'd seriously be considering the MY15. That is of course unless the dealers are giving away deals on a MY14 that you can't refuse - though my guess is that as soon as the MY15 is out that the MY14 prices will drop (particularly in the diesel due to the motor change).

[Tiggy]

would you know what the R-line package for the Tiguan consists of? and on what VAG car is the 130TDI installed now?

[tigger73]

would you know what the R-line package for the Tiguan consists of? and on what VAG car is the 130TDI installed now?

For the 132TSI/130TDI the R-line option will include: 18" alloys, sport suspension, gearshift paddles, R-line exterior trim (body kit), R-line cloth interior.

The Passat 130TDI Highline currently runs the same motor.