Electric seat dead after battery test

[cameleon72]

No wonder I am getting faults still...the module has, for some reason decided that the maximum and minimum travel values are the same. Not to mentioned the supposed current position of all the motors is exactly the same down to 1 step accuracy and outside the max/min range.

Any idea on how to correct this? I've tried numerous attempts of IDE02854-MAS00675-Reset standardization & MAS05563-MAS00675-Norming. Reset standardization passes instantly and Norming comes back with the following error: ERROR: Conditions not correct or request sequence error.

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I didn't realize that you upgrading original Tiguan seat to Different car.
Unfortunately your problem is not with wiring even if you connect all correct wires, you will still have problem . That seat is programmed to Specific VIN in Tiguan, as soon you connect to different Car VIN ( it read from car Gateway Vin than compare VIn stored in Seat control module) , it stop working. You need VW dealer or someone with original VW tool to program and flash module to suit your new VIN and car model.

[cameleon72]

What exactly model is your Amarok ? Year made?

If you are in Sydney , i would be maybe able to help , however you are in VIC.

[Bezzey]

@cameleon72 I am planning to simply wire up power and air bag only to my Amarok as like you said I will run into issues with different components. There's not really any good reason to wire it up to my Amarok other than power and airbag, as the seat can operate independently I believe. I have been bench testing successfully except for memory buttons.

See page 1 for my Amarok info in the auto scan.

[Guest001]

Memory probably wont work as needs to be connected to something to store the settings wouldnt it.

[Bezzey]

Memory probably wont work as needs to be connected to something to store the settings wouldnt it.

From what ive read, my understanding is that the seat module stores these settings.

[Bezzey]

Update:

I have moved Seat 1 control module to Seat 2 and there is no change.

All motors reading the same:
Block 1 65535
Block 2 65535
Position 30000


I moved the control module back to Seat 1 and applied voltage to the forward/back motor while watching advanced measuring values. The position remained at 30000.

[MIG]

Are the motors 4 wire or 2 wire, the older ones use hall effect sensors for the position. The newer style use the current flow to detect the end stops and are sensor less. Those will have a calibration routine, something like running them to full position hold for 3s the release.

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[Bezzey]

Are the motors 4 wire or 2 wire, the older ones use hall effect sensors for the position. The newer style use the current flow to detect the end stops and are sensor less. Those will have a calibration routine, something like running them to full position hold for 3s the release.

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It's really interesting. They all have 4 wires on the harness plug but not all motors have 4 pins. I haven't made a list of which motors do and don't have 4 wires. None of the buttons on the seat work at all so I can't even do the calibration routine. Would it have any effect if I connected the seat module to a compatible Tiguan BCM?

[cameleon72]

It's really interesting. They all have 4 wires on the harness plug but not all motors have 4 pins. I haven't made a list of which motors do and don't have 4 wires. None of the buttons on the seat work at all so I can't even do the calibration routine. Would it have any effect if I connected the seat module to a compatible Tiguan BCM?

Buddy looks like you don't listen ,what i was try to explain you previously.
Your memory buttons and calibration would be not be able to work even you connect all wires including can gateway, till you flash seat with correct vw flash file which suit your current car model and to match seat control module Amarok original factory have.
Tiguan seat is MQB platform not works like from before previous generation , where you just can take seats form another VAG car and install swap in another model and it work.
There is control module in seat which store many parameter data including Vin which work parallel with gateway . Till is not all matched properly with your car gateway VIN ,you will not be able to to get working memory button seats and compete basic settings calibration.
There is another solution if your upgrading from MQB car to older generation PQ previous vw platform car , but that's to complicated....

[MIG]

Matching the CAN ids the seat needs is in the realm of possibilities but would be an advanced project (With a custom CAN emulator board, Arduino would do); running an MQB BCM standalone would be more complicated than that again.

If I were doing this project, I would be looking at transplanting a PQ seat controller into the MQB seats; this may involve swapping 2-wire motors to 4-wire types.

Check out this guide here
HowTo: Fit MQB seats in PQ cars | Ross-Tech Forums

[cameleon72]

Matching the CAN ids the seat needs is in the realm of possibilities but would be an advanced project (With a custom CAN emulator board, Arduino would do); running an MQB BCM standalone would be more complicated than that again.

If I were doing this project, I would be looking at transplanting a PQ seat controller into the MQB seats; this may involve swapping 2-wire motors to 4-wire types.

Check out this guide here
HowTo: Fit MQB seats in PQ cars | Ross-Tech Forums

Exactly ''If I were doing this project, I would be looking at transplanting a PQ seat controller into the MQB seats; this may involve swapping 2-wire motors to 4-wire types.'' , thats one of possible solution

Or if you want proper way, Get Gateway and BCM from exact same care you pull The seats . Mount under seats or somewhere close BCM , Gateway , connect all correct power inputs ,ground and connect to 2x Can wire properly all 3x components. It should work. Otherwise even if you bring MQB BCM and gateway from different VIN cars than seats you pull previously ,still will not work and you will need original VW tool and correct VW Tiguan Flash files to be able to adapt VIN to all 3x components to work memory buttons and basic settings calibration.

I ask you previously What year made and model is your Amork and engine size ? I know you put VIN , but i couldn't bother to search online what exactly is your car year model and specification model sold here in Australia ?

[cameleon72]

Ok I find online for VIN

Brand	VOLKSWAGEN
Name	Amarok с двойной каб. (HIGHLINE)
Manufactured	2014
Prodrange	2013 - 2016
Market	Europe
Engine	CSHA
EngineInfo	2000CC / 180hp / 132kW TDI BIT CR
Transmission	NPY(8A)
Framecolor	B4B4
Trimcolor	WB

if correct your Amarok is older vw generation model , it is PQ previous platform not MQB which you have seats from Tiguan.
So you are unlucky not so simple to swap even if you have original VW tool with all correct flashing files ( it possible can correct some things but on one short ) , only options is as noted in previous posts

[Bezzey]

Sorry @MIG and @cameleon72 I didn't get notified of your replies, I just checked the thread and saw your replies. I fully understand and agree now after what I did today:

I took Seat 1 back to the wreckers where I got it from and connected the seat back to the car I took the seat from. Seat controls began working once ignition was turned on. Memory buttons did not work. The guy at the wreckers told me it is due to the left mirror missing (car was complete when I got the seats originally). This confirms the theory that if any single component from the 'memory ecosystem' (anything that is programmable to the memory button) is missing, the memory buttons won't work. I wonder if there is any way to code-out everything else so the memory buttons work without the rest?


Interestingly, the Position measuring values for most of the motors returned to true values, see below. All of the Block 1 & Block 2 measuring values are still reading 65535.

[Bezzey]

Thursday,01,June,2023,17:48:04:45971
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 23.3.1.0 (x64) HEX-V2 CB: 0.4631.4
Data version: 20230525 DS346.1
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VIN: WVGZZZ5NZKW891505 License Plate: SEAT 1 AFTER RECONNECT TO VEHICLE


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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr Labels: None
Control Module Part Number: 5Q0 959 760 C HW: 5Q0 959 760 C
Component and/or Version: Sitzmemory H09 0024
Software Coding: 001400000000000001A480808080000000008181000000F400
Work Shop Code: WSC 12345 123 12345
ASAM Dataset: EV_SeatMemorDriveSide 002022 (VW37)
ROD: EV_SeatMemorDriveSide.rod
VCID: 3D273DAAADFA97D224D-8068
8 Faults Found:




9655636 - Motor for Seat Fore/Aft Adjustment
B1355 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00




9655892 - Motor for Seat Backrest Adjustment
B1356 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00




9655380 - Motor for seat height adjustment
B1354 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00




9655124 - Motor for Seat Tilt Adjustment
B1353 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00




9654868 - Motor for Lumbar Support Fore/Aft Adjustment
B1352 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00




9654612 - Motor for Lumbar Support Height Adjustment
B1351 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00




10487040 - invalid data record
B2005 00 [009] - -
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00




10489856 - No Basic Setting
B2010 00 [009] - -
[keine oder falsche Grundeinstellung/Adaption]
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 1
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00

[Bezzey]

Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr
Control Module Part Number: 5Q0 959 760 C
Component and/or Version: Sitzmemory H09 0024
Software Coding: 001400000000000001A480808080000000008181000000F400
Work Shop Code: WSC 12345
VCID: 3D273DAAADFA97D224D-8068




Advanced Identification/FAZIT
Serial number: Y0006RJJ39570
Identification: KO1-ABY
Date: 19.10.18
Manufacturer number: 3201
Test stand number: 9570
Flash Status
Programming Attempts(application): 0/0
Programming Attempts(data): 0
Successful Attempts(data): 0
Flash Date: 00.01.01
Flash Tool Code(data): 00000 000 00000
Misc.
Hardware number: 5Q0 959 760 C
Workshop System Name: J810
Equipment/PR Code: 000000000000000000000000
Dataset Number: -----------
Dataset Version: ----
ASAM Dataset: EV_SeatMemorDriveSide
ASAM Dataset Revision: 002022
VCDS Info:
VCID: 3D273DAAADFA97D224D-8068
Labels: None
ROD: EV_SeatMemorDriveSide.rod


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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (5Q0 959 760 C)




17:49:05
IDE06510-MAS01390 Adjustment for backrest angle-Block 1 65535
IDE06510-MAS01391 Adjustment for backrest angle-Block 2 65535
IDE06510-MAS02282 Adjustment for backrest angle-Position 29479
IDE06511-MAS01390 Seat height adjustment-Block 1 65535
IDE06511-MAS01391 Seat height adjustment-Block 2 65535
IDE06511-MAS02282 Seat height adjustment-Position 29259
IDE06512-MAS01390 Adjustment for seat forward/back position-Block 1 65535
IDE06512-MAS01391 Adjustment for seat forward/back position-Block 2 65535
IDE06512-MAS02282 Adjustment for seat forward/back position-Position 33142
IDE06683-MAS01390 Seat inclination adjustment-Block 1 65535
IDE06683-MAS01391 Seat inclination adjustment-Block 2 65535
IDE06683-MAS02282 Seat inclination adjustment-Position 30834


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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (5Q0 959 760 C)




17:49:49
IDE06684-MAS01390 Lumbar support height adjustment-Block 1 65535
IDE06684-MAS01391 Lumbar support height adjustment-Block 2 65535
IDE06684-MAS02282 Lumbar support height adjustment-Position 30000
IDE06685-MAS01390 Lumbar support longitudinal position adjustment-Block 1 65535
IDE06685-MAS01391 Lumbar support longitudinal position adjustment-Block 2 65535
IDE06685-MAS02282 Lumbar support longitudinal position adjustment-Position 30000


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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (5Q0 959 760 C)




17:53:08
IDE00019-MAS00043 Voltage terminal 30-Terminal 30 power supply 12.7 V
IDE00322 Status of basic setting was not yet started
IDE00323 Security Access: Number of invalid keys 0
IDE01457 Energy management deactivation stage Deactivation stage 3
IDE02486 Data logger triggering not active
IDE03527-MAS03679 CAN signals-Terminal 15 status OFF
ENG123053-ENG123076 Seat_Adjustment_State_Info_CAN-FSM_KD_Error active


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Address 36: DTCs cleared