Amarok Wheels and Tyres

[thjakits]

Hi all,

...285 will most likely rub on the upper suspension arm - 265 JUST about clears it ....at R18-265/65 (/70 might already be too much) on the original R18 rims....



I have a curious problem:

It seems I cannot get the tire/rim combination (OEM-18 wheels) balanced....

OEM-R18 rims - BF-Goodrich AT R18-265/65 tires

So far I went to 4 different shops:

Changed the tires and did a complete alignment job (was within spec to start with...). Furthermore the tech and the tire-shop agreed to play:
WE checked each rim only for unbalance and noted the result on the rim. After the first run with the tire on, we would move the tire to cancel the imbalance of the rim and reduce the needed amount of balance weights - this seemed to work fine.
Then we ran into trouble with properly balancing the wheels! No matter which program the tech used, the amounts of weight were going way out of hand! Finally we resolved to use the simplest method.
By chance after balancing one wheel to 0.00, we took it off the machine, put it back on the balancer and ...got an out of balance reading again!! NOW this is where I got sceptical!
I was sure the machine was defective....
A simple thing like a wheel, without any moving parts should be rather simple to balance!
[In my job I frequently have to track & balance helicopter rotor systems - talk about a little more complex systems!]

Maybe I complety miss something here.....

After this I went to 2 more shops with supposedly new balancers (all the same brand ... COATS), but the story is/was the same! - Remove old weights, balance to 0.00, same whobble starting at 100km/h. Removed tires to see if something was inside - nothing...

Just came back from the 4th shop now, with the newest and most sofisticated mschine I ever saw - a COATS (like the others but really the top model) - the tech couldn't believe it either - 0.00, take the wheel off and put it back on and we get a imbalance again!! (...and not small 0.something numbers, but from 1.50-2.00). Just did the front wheels to see the results - both wheels run beautifully round, no whobble side/side, no jump on the tire.... - on the Rok and now I get the whobble in the steering at 85km/h!!

I am out of ideas - and this whole thing is spooky to me!!
Unless there is something about these balance machines I don't know....

I installed a OME front (HD for bumper and winch) and a HD rear with one leaf removed.
With this setup I ran the original tires for some 10000km (looked ugly, but I was not about to throw away the OE-tires because of looks....)
The OE-tires/wheels ran perfect with the lift kit.

So - the questions are:

1. WTF is going on with my wheels?

2. Is there anything about tire balancers I don't know?
[In my world - IF a wheel is balanced to 0.00 - it should not matter if you take it of the balancer and put it back on or on a different balancer - if it is balanced 0.00 - it is balanced! and is balanced! and is balanced!!! It should indicate 0.00 again and repeatetly, shouldn't it??]

3. What to do next? Alignment is good, tire pressure is good? Change alignment numbers??

Anyone of you guys are a tire/rim/wheel guru??

Love the traction, stance, looks, but whobbling now starting at 85 km/h is NOT what I want to have to live with!!
[VW dealer doesn't comment as it is NOT their tires and NOT the original size]

Cheers all,

thjakits

[84KIN]

I'm searching for some wheels and tires for my new Dual cab Auto, has anyone seen any other designs or brands that do an 18x9 +20 (same size as Delta do) but in any other design than Delta? I'd love a US style simple five spoke wheel but damn it's hard to find something that's weight rated enough. Anyone have any ideas?

[84KIN]

Hi all,

...285 will most likely rub on the upper suspension arm - 265 JUST about clears it ....at R18-265/65 (/70 might already be too much) on the original R18 rims....



I have a curious problem:

[COLOR=#333333]It seems I cannot get the tire/rim combination (OEM-18 wheels) balanced....

Cheers all,

thjakits

I've had BMW wheels have vibration and balancing issues but mainly due to the centre bore being bigger and not centring the wheel carefully enough when tightening the wheel nuts / balancer attachment, it sounds like your issue is much more complex but may not hurt to check whether one of the wheel aligners is centring the wheel properly on the balancer, as that would cause a different balance reading straight up i'd imagine.

[Sharkie]

I'm running BMW X5 5 spoke 18x8.5 wheels with 255/60/18s load rating acceptable for the Amarok. Simple style yet looks good in black. Have a look at my build thread. And below. Was very careful when I fitted them and no vibration up to licence threatening speeds (on a private track ofcourse)

[84KIN]

Did you have to fit a hub centric collar when you fitted the BMW rims Sharkie?

[Sharkie]

Did you have to fit a hub centric collar when you fitted the BMW rims Sharkie?

Yep, the key is to tighten with no or minimal load on the wheel as full weight ever so slightly distorts the shape of the rings. I'm looking for metal rings as it makes it easier, not looking to hard as it's good atm.

[84KIN]

Yep, the key is to tighten with no or minimal load on the wheel as full weight ever so slightly distorts the shape of the rings. I'm looking for metal rings as it makes it easier, not looking to hard as it's good atm.

Ahh true true, I think this may have been my problem then, I'm getting new tires put on now so i'll track down a set of rings, do a full balance and wheel align, and get him to take car when fitting the wheels also. Cheers for the feedback mate

[thjakits]

Quick update:

A 2012 Amarok will fit Hankook AT 275/65 -R18.
They clear the upper arm "just" 4-5 mm ...and only because of the specific tire thread width.
They WILL/do rub on the chassis at full lock...

But they are super durable!

Cheers,

thjakits

[Tjilpi]

Pirelli AT plus come in 255/60R18. I have them on my Rok and have been happy with them. 50,000 kms and still plenty of tread. Did in one tyre on the Canning Stock Route (My own stupid fault, hit a route that was sticking our on the side of the track). Only problem I have had with them.

[Iluvamaroks]

Black Delta 18" rims wrapped in Cooper Zeon LTZ rubber 285/60/R18
Came off my 2014 Highline before we traded it in.
Only slightly rubbed only on full lock when reversing.
Cant fault the tyres...looked aggresive and never had a problem with them.

Still have them sitting in my shed !!

[Club Racer]

Hello,
I have recently picked up a MY19 Ult 580, which came with some aftermarket 20"s. Thinking about dropping the wheel size come tyre change time, anyone know how small a diameter the Ult 580 can take over the calipers? 17/18"
Ta,
Lindsay

[winchy]

AFAIK the 580's have the same brakes as the 550. A 17" rim will fit.

[drstaind]

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Black Delta 18" rims wrapped in Cooper Zeon LTZ rubber 285/60/R18
Came off my 2014 Highline before we traded it in.
Only slightly rubbed only on full lock when reversing.
Cant fault the tyres...looked aggresive and never had a problem with them.

Still have them sitting in my shed !!

Would you be interested in selling them? I pick up my new highline next week. Had delta’s with nitto’s on my original rok and they were great.


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[I_Am@rok]

Falken Wildpeak AT/3

Hi all,
After much debating I have finally chose to go with some Falken Wildpeak AT/3’s for my 2019 V6 Highline. I have a question for the learned amongst this group however.
The Highline came with Bridgestone Duellers from the factory (255/60R/1.
I am fitting the Falkens at a slightly different size - 265/60R/18.

My question is, is there any kind of speedo calibration required for fitting the new size tyres?

Any advice and/or pointers you can provide will be appreciated

[brad]

My question is, is there any kind of speedo calibration required for fitting the new size tyres?

Any advice and/or pointers you can provide will be appreciated

Your best bet is to check the speedo against a GPS. I find the speedo on a lot of VW product to have very optimistic speedometers. On my Octavia I could go 20mm bigger and still not need recalibration