Golf MK7 / MKVII Speculation / Pre-Release Information Thread

[gecko2k]

I've read somewhere that Viezu will have a better tune then APR for the next gen Golf!

[AdamD]

I've read somewhere that Viezu will have a better tune APR for the next gen Golf!

Don't. Even. Go. There.

[DoggieHowser]

Would a Golf RS be somewhere in the $80k-$90k mark? If so, (which it really shouldn't be if VW adjust for the euro depreciation), then it is A LOT of money for a golf. As much as I love mine, I doubt I could outlay so much for one, as it suggests it is twice the car of the GTI, which I bet it isn't.

Says the guy who wouldn't buy an R either

ps there was a lot of derision for the guy who asked if the R was worth 2x the price of the 77TSI. I suppose the same could be said of the R/RS to the GTI as well.

FWIW, I think Audi and VeeDub have to rethink their pricing strategy for the Golf/A3 divide.

With a BMW 125 with a 245hp 2.0l engine going for 45k, it seems like even the R today might be a tad overpriced. Granted, with some of the basic options I looked at, it would be close to 60k before discount, about the same as the R prior discount with similar options.

Which IMHO puts the Audi S3 and RS3 in a very odd position in the marketplace.

I'll admit the 1 series does look like it fell off the ugly tree hitting every branch on the way down but in a 3 door guise with the M trim (bodykit, bigger rims and wider tyres), it looks a lot more purposeful. Still not what I'd call pretty but purposeful in a Panamera kinda way.

[Finance_Analyst]

Says the guy who wouldn't buy an R either

ps there was a lot of derision for the guy who asked if the R was worth 2x the price of the 77TSI. I suppose the same could be said of the R/RS to the GTI as well.

FWIW, I think Audi and VeeDub have to rethink their pricing strategy for the Golf/A3 divide.

With a BMW 125 with a 245hp 2.0l engine going for 45k, it seems like even the R today might be a tad overpriced. Granted, with some of the basic options I looked at, it would be close to 60k before discount, about the same as the R prior discount with similar options.

Which IMHO puts the Audi S3 and RS3 in a very odd position in the marketplace.

I'll admit the 1 series does look like it fell off the ugly tree hitting every branch on the way down but in a 3 door guise with the M trim (bodykit, bigger rims and wider tyres), it looks a lot more purposeful. Still not what I'd call pretty but purposeful in a Panamera kinda way.

I guess I look at the from the point of view that a GTI is already so good to begin with, that very few cars are 2-3 times better despite the price differential. Yes I would say that a 77TSI Vs an R would be justified as there is that quantum leap, but when the GTI out of the box is so damn good, it is hard to get the same leap again from cars 2-3 times more. From a price point, 70-75k max would suffice for a Golf RS, or else it enters the territory of BMW 135i/328i, Audi S3 etc which most people would probably opt for due to the badge.

[WhiteJames]

Haldex LSD

Autocar.co.uk are saying that the MK7 Golf GTI will run a Haldex clutch-plate type of LSD that is electronically controlled. Sort of like a sideways Golf R Haldex diff that suffles power from slipping wheel to opposite wheel. The Electronic part may be an electro-hydraulic unit like the MK6 Golf R that pre-empts when slip is likely to occur, acting in a proactive way. Most aftermarket LSD's for Golf are torque-sensing worm gear type (Quaife, Peliqiun, Wavetrac, etc) as is the Nissan sourced GKN made LSD in the Megane RS250.
Cheers.
WJ

[WhiteJames]

Car Magazine.co.uk have a decent write-up on the new MK7 Golf GTI with apparent reliable info from VW insiders. Info from actual Magazine ... here's link to watered-down net article: http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-...ARs-new-scoop/. Stats on new Golf GTI MK7:

Golf GTI:

Power: 217 bhp.
Torque: 340Nm.
Audi Valve-Lift Tech for increase in torque, but no so much power (only 9 bhp more power).
Both MTrans & DSG will be 6 speed.
Mech LSD.
6.7 sec to 100kph.
Stop/Start & Energy recoup for increase from 39mpg to 47mpg economy.
Fuel tank down from 55 litres to 50 litres.
Weight reduction of 60kg for GTI.
Same/similar telephone dial style wheels.
20mm wider & 30mm lower roof-line, with front axle further forward & slanted engine for improved handling.

Bluemotion Ed Golf GTI may come a short time later with taller 5th & 6th gears, low resistence tyres, lower idle speed (600rpm), improved aero with claimed 52mpg (sounds like the pic for me without having to go for the diesel ... maybe a MTrans next time as DSG is still 6 speed).

Golf R:

Launches in Nov 2013 (Europe).
291 bhp.
AWD.
6 sp MTrans or DSG500 7 speed auto.

Golf RS:

365bhp.
AWD with more aggresively tuned centre diff.
Not signed off by VW HQ.

The argument for VW Golf GTI not having Audi Valve Lift Tech is a valid one. This tech has been around for a while now. I'd suggest that Audi will differentiate itself as a premium offering by using alloy for suspension components and possible alloy roof to lower cog and cut down on weight (80-100kgs weight saving as opposed to GTI 60kgs). This in comsummate with Audi philosophy of lighter weight, better economy and sportier hanlding over the VW range.

Cheers.
WJ

[boltor]

Golf R:
Launches in Nov 2013 (Europe).

So, we would get our R in Australia after Europe, or at the same time?

[SilvrFoxX]

So, we would get our R in Australia after Europe, or at the same time?

Probably after South Africa and more like 2014

[AdamD]

So, we would get our R in Australia after Europe, or at the same time?

Well after. Expect mid-2014 at the earliest.

[Ideo]

Well after. Expect mid-2014 at the earliest.

Just when my lease is up

[Deadly_headmen]

Probably after South Africa and more like 2014

Would have thought Aus is a bigger market then SA?

[DoggieHowser]

True. But they sometimes build RHD Golfs in South Africa.

[alebonau]

True. But they sometimes build RHD Golfs in South Africa.

hopefully not for us

I do hope the mk7 gti hits early 2013 otherwise with lease over then have no choice either buy something else or buy an extended warranty for another year !

[Deadly_headmen]

True. But they sometimes build RHD Golfs in South Africa.

Apparently there is a difference in quality between German and South African built golfs. Hope ours will still be sourced from Germany

[DoggieHowser]

I remember many of entry level BMW 320is in Singapore (E46 and E90) were built in South Africa and had endless problems.

Our 5 door MkV GTI was German made, but it had to be from a parallel importer. Oddly enough, both my friend's 3 door MkV GTI (all made in Germany) and ours had the roof lining detach itself after the 4th/5th year I think maybe they were not "tropicalized" enough.