110tsi Driving Impressions

[Guest001]

So they have learned from the 1.4 twincharger that knocked and pinged it's head off (literally) on the OEM tune running AU 98RON?
Oil consumption issues?

Good point on the CVT Did VAG, well predominately Audi do anything about that or continue to bend over customers around 3k for something simply not fit for purpose.

Read through the threads about it

[SuperChimps]

Well your sort of stuck in some ways.. Auto was an non negotiable for her. Everything these days seems to be either something like a dsg or a cvt. I don't like cvt boxes. Figured vw have the most experience with the dsg type systems.

When its working, like it is now, its totally fine. Just have to hope they're true to their word with warranty.

Compared to everything else we looked at it, it was by far the nicest thing to sit in.

[westenderbender]

Hi, I am currently driving a loan demo 2019 Golf Comfortline DSG with less than 2,000 kilometres. ( My usual car is a 2016 GTI PP). I have noticed with the Comfortline an annoying characteristic upon take off from stationary. The slightest application of the accelerator results in a very jerky take off followed by a brief dead spot then off we go. Is this a normal characteristic of
the MK 7.5 with the 7 speed box ?

This is the reason I stumped for a GTI over the Highline. The throttle lag/dead spot was unbearable!

[Sharkie]

This is the reason I stumped for a GTI over the Highline. The throttle lag/dead spot was unbearable!

Its not really throttle lag, but the well documented DSG lag. Every single review in the press of a VW including that of GTIs and Rs make mention of this lag.

Though the 1.4T does have a bit of lag at low revs, easily overcome in the manual. Combined with the (dangerous in my view) DSG lag it does become more noticeable. A tune addresses this to a large extent (ECU tune and TCU tune for the DSG).

[westenderbender]

Its not really throttle lag, but the well documented DSG lag. Every single review in the press of a VW including that of GTIs and Rs make mention of this lag.

Though the 1.4T does have a bit of lag at low revs, easily overcome in the manual. Combined with the (dangerous in my view) DSG lag it does become more noticeable. A tune addresses this to a large extent (ECU tune and TCU tune for the DSG).

I had a manual 92TSI Trendline, the lag was nothing short of dangerous in some circumstances (ie rolling out of an intersection in 2nd and the accelerator did NOTHING for a good few seconds). Common problem, much worse in the DSG. I’ve spent a lot of time in an Octavia DSG, same issue. Test drive 110TSI Highline and R-Line, same issue.

GTI doesn’t have this issue. It GOES! So good

[Sharkie]

I had a manual 92TSI Trendline, the lag was nothing short of dangerous in some circumstances (ie rolling out of an intersection in 2nd and the accelerator did NOTHING for a good few seconds). Common problem, much worse in the DSG. I’ve spent a lot of time in an Octavia DSG, same issue. Test drive 110TSI Highline and R-Line, same issue.

GTI doesn’t have this issue. It GOES! So good

Must be the 92TSI then, I don't have that issue in the 110TSI manual. Very, very minor turbo lag easily fixed by pressing harder on the accelerator or shifting down.

[westenderbender]

Must be the 92TSI then, I don't have that issue in the 110TSI manual. Very, very minor turbo lag easily fixed by pressing harder on the accelerator or shifting down.

If only we got the Highline in manual

[gmx]

This is a problem with all high volume fridge on wheels today. Minimum time and man-hours spent on electronics. The HW isn't bad in most cases except the programming simply doesn't have refinement and it's released to market with "good 'nuff" attitude. Go upmarket, the extreme end and you don't see Porsches with their PDK doing this bull****. They're all guilty of this, BMW, Merc etc. Yet the masses put up with it and as long as money rolls in, VW et al dgaf.
A "tune" is a moot point. Rather have 5 year warranty and get rid of it within 3. Transfer the remaining 2 to new owner as incentive.

[Splashalot]

Must be the 92TSI then, I don't have that issue in the 110TSI manual. Very, very minor turbo lag easily fixed by pressing harder on the accelerator or shifting down.

Nope, not just the 92. My 110TSi Trendline 7.5 had horrendous throttle lag at low-ish revs in any gear. As I stated above, I actually timed it - the degree of throttle lag varied, but at worst it was a two second delay between pressing the accelerator and the engine responding. And I know it wasn't turbo lag because the pedal box improved the lag to (almost) acceptable levels.

Does your 110TSi have a tune? If so, which one? I'm assuming maybe this is the reason yours doesn't have the throttle lag? Maybe different throttle mapping?

[zardoz]

I drove the same earlier today (optioned with drive assist). Had about 11,000km on the clock. Seemed very smooth to me. No power and no traction, but that's to be expected in contrast from the R, but a hell of a lot better drivetrain experience than my 103TSI. If this is still a DQ200, then it's certainly had some different revision gear go into it and/or different tuning, or perhaps it's still young enough to not exhibit any issues. Very impressed with what money can buy these days!

My 103TSI first exhibited issues around 4000km.

[Sharkie]

Does your 110TSi have a tune? If so, which one? I'm assuming maybe this is the reason yours doesn't have the throttle lag? Maybe different throttle mapping?

Can't say I noticed any real lag when the 110TSI was stock.

Guy Harding at Harding Performance did it a tune for me. I have used him for many years now (15 at least ) to tune my VWs.
Harding Performance ECU Software - 1.4 TSI MQB - Harding Performance

Info on the Golf here Project 145TSI

The 110TSI is pretty quick when tuned, be close to a stock GTI in performance. Since it is a smaller engine with a smaller turbo, it will not be quite as responsive as a GTI but its not too far off. Obviously not close at all to the R .....

[gmx]

Adding more experience. For the first time couple days ago I felt like a bit more throttle response and changed from default driving mode (i think eco?) to normal. I toggled through them. You literally have to drive the DSG and apply throttle like a manual, except you have no control on clutch actuation. This thing was revving up to 2-2.5k and slipping the **** out of it. These modes are only useful taking off like a snail from a stop or in motion like an open road I assume. Car has 1450km on it.

[Dan_3MPS]

Have you taken it for a good long drive yet on a road with some bends and hills where the car isn't just sitting in 7th? It helped the Mrs 7.5 Comfortline settle down after many short city drives where she tried to drive it like her old conventional auto.

I love driving it, it's like a GTI-lite.

[Sydneykid]

The big problem I have found with negative DSG reporting is that it mostly comes from people that only have experience with torque converter autos. A DSG doesn't respond to inputs at all like a gearbox with gentle torque converter slippage. They soak up throttle application mistakes that a DSG amplifies. Some people just can't get used to it and are better off with a torque converter based auto. The simple truth is DSG's aren't for everyone.

FWIW in the family we have had 5 x DSG equipped cars , 3 x dry clutch and 2 x wet clutch over 7 years and the only issue was faulty electronics in one mechatronic unit. Not one mechanical gearbox issue in any of them. As usual posts are about the negatives whilst the positives are experienced by the silent majority.


Cheers
Gary

[MK74]

Hallo Sharkie, just bought a Trendline manual myself. Go Bokke!!!