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  • Won't Start - ESP Error & Steering light on

    Went to start my car yesterday morning to head off to work - starter motor did its usual thing, but no fire up from the engine. Not even a hint.

    MFD says I have an "ESP Error" and the steering light is on.

    The car has not been driving strangely or hinting in any way that something was getting in bad shape. I am suspecting it may be an electrical or software/firmware gremlin or code error.

    The battery is quite new, was replaced under warranty maybe 12-18 months (or about 30,000km) ago. Tested battery voltage (no load) and was 12.25v across the terminals (after trying to start it quite a few times). Tested from + to chassis in numerous spots, still around 12.25v. Also physically checked ground connections - all solid (so it's not a bad earth, and doesn't seem to be bad voltage, maybe a tad low but not terrible???)

    Car has APR stage 1 tune, carbonio intake, otherwise stock. I've had two warranty issues during the life of the car, two failed coil packs, and a replaced steering rack.

    Recently (a week or so ago) had a minor rear-end collision (not my fault) that has been repaired, maybe it has had some kind of effect on a sensor or electronic circuit that's gone into error or misaligned or something? Although the damage to my car was fairly minimal, it was a fairly hard collision so I wouldn't be surprised.

    Anyone got any other ideas?

    I am talking with my insurer and what will probably happen is that I will have to get it towed to my mechanic and have them do a report and/or make the repairs. If it turns out that the likely cause is from the accident, they will reimburse me. If not, I'm stuck with the bill - all of which sounds reasonable to me. The woman I spoke to said this type of thing is not uncommon after accidents.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Tobes_WIR35 View Post
    Went to start my car yesterday morning to head off to work - starter motor did its usual thing, but no fire up from the engine. Not even a hint.

    MFD says I have an "ESP Error" and the steering light is on.

    The battery is quite new, was replaced under warranty maybe 12-18 months (or about 30,000km) ago. Tested battery voltage (no load) and was 12.25v across the terminals (after trying to start it quite a few times).
    Mate, that sounds straight up like a battery issue to me. On a number of occasions when my GTI's battery was reconnected I'd see the ESP Error and steering lights on the dash (the steering light should go off after a few hundred metres of driving/steering once the car is able to calibrate/check the steering system). Ditto the ESP error. And 12.25v sounds far too low to me - I'd be expecting to see ~12.5+v from a battery when standing, and 13.7-14+ when idling.

    Try a start with jumper leads and see how you go. If it comes good, I'd be in search of a new battery.
    Last edited by AdamD; 30-01-2015, 08:10 AM.
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    • #3
      Hmmm that would be great if it is. I have a battery charger at home so I will give that a try.

      I've phoned up a few mechanics and they are all booked out for at least another week!

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      • #4
        Anyone in Brisbane (Northern Suburbs pref) got a VCDS/cable that wants a carton of beer to come and scan it for me on the weekend?

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        • #5
          Just read the timing chain failure thread. Now I am ****ting broken glass!!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tobes_WIR35 View Post
            The battery is quite new, was replaced under warranty maybe 12-18 months (or about 30,000km) ago. Tested battery voltage (no load) and was 12.25v across the terminals
            Volts definitiely too low for a battery in good nick... Maybe check if the alternator is charging it properly too..

            - Anthony

            p.s. What AdamD says about the warning lights goes too - everything you say points to the battery...
            Last edited by hoi polloi; 31-01-2015, 07:27 AM. Reason: added a bit
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            • #7
              I'm not so sure now. I charged the battery last night, standing voltage now 12.5v or so. Tried starting it this morning - same deal. Very faint 'pop' noises but no fire up. Having read a number of forums now about the dodgy timing chain tensioner, I am unfortunately more confident that is my problem as I have the older style tensioner and I have had a few rattly cold starts over the last say 12 months or so. Symptoms seem to match up.

              I hope I am wrong. My dealer service centre is pretty good and I am a loyal customer but I don't know whether they'll be up for fixing that under good will as I am 6 months out of my 3 year warranty. I sure bloody hope so though as it's a known problem with a TPI! I don't want to know how much a new engine or rebuild would cost.

              Anyway, am trying to keep positive and not lose my mind. Well, I'll get it towed to VW on Monday and see what happens...

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              • #8
                Checked all fuses?
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                • #9
                  Thanks mate I'll do that. Always gloss over the basic stuff and panic when it comes to cars.

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                  • #10
                    Could be your low pressure fuel pump control module or the pump itself located under the back seat. I had mine quit working. Module died first then the pump about 4 weeks after. Sounds similar to what happened to me.
                    2011 MK6 GTI ED35
                    APR Stage 2 / APR HPFP / APR Turbo back Exhaust / VWR Intake / Ohlins shocks / HP Sway Bars / HP Control Arms

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                    • #11
                      Actually my very first thought was fuel delivery, just going by the way it almost started on the first attempt then spluttered then stopped (all in a matter of 2-3 seconds). Still much better than skipped timing chain and possibly damaged internals!! Fingers crossed it's something relatively simple like that

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                      • #12
                        Just got word back from VW. No compression at all. So sounds like the old timing chain issue probably.....

                        I guess I'm looking at a new engine. VW guy said because I have had all my servicing done through them he is confident that it will be done under good will, hopefully 100% covered. Fingers, legs, toes crossed...

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                        • #13
                          Seems to be a weakness with that engine.. good luck.
                          2011 MK6 GTI ED35
                          APR Stage 2 / APR HPFP / APR Turbo back Exhaust / VWR Intake / Ohlins shocks / HP Sway Bars / HP Control Arms

                          MY13 AMAROK HIGHLINE / Oettinger tuned / ATS Wheels

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                          • #14
                            Got some news today. Engine has been stripped. Some bent valves and damaged pistons but apparently the bottom end is ok. Therefore it will be a rebuild not a new engine. Would have been a different story if the chain skipped at 5000rpm I guess...
                            My VW dealer (Austral Newstead) has sent their report and quote off to VWA and they are relatively confident that VWA will cover it. Should have the car back by the end of next week. Will be 3 weeks without my baby but I am just thankful that my VW dealer has been so helpful. They really could have hung me out to dry if they wanted to, given I am out of warranty and have APR tune & other bits. I have a theory that dealer servicing might be expensive, but it's cheap insurance if something goes wrong. That's turned out to be very true in this case I think...
                            Last edited by Tobes_WIR35; 12-02-2015, 08:53 PM.

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                            • #15
                              you don't see too many post may2010 built GTI's having that issue.

                              did you only have the oil changed on an annual basis only at Austral and nothing in between? some say that sludge does have something to do with it (timing chain tensioner relies on oil pressure).

                              finger cross it will be a good outcome given that there is hardly any decent VW specialists in Brisbane with normal attitude now.
                              Mitsubishi Pajero Sport - Super Select 2WD/4WD
                              Toyota 86 GTS Performance Pack Moon Slate - RWD
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