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  • #16
    I'm glad to share with all owners of DSG 7 who wants to perform basic setting and initial learning in DSG 7
    this original procedure:

    Technical product information
    Transaction No.: 2025490/1
    3511, 1P, 5P, 6J, Basic setting and initial learning in DSG (0AM - 7sp.) gearboxes
    Release date: 12-Apr-2011

    Customer statement / workshop findings
    The basic setting in DSG (0AM – 7sp.) gearboxes cannot be performed with guided fault finding.

    Technical background
    Various causes have been detected, including the main reason of low battery voltage.
    On completion of the basic settings, the handling of the transmission does not improve.


    Production change
    - - -

    Measure

    ATTENTION!
    - Connect a battery charger to ensure the power supply of the vehicle.
    - Check that the diagnostic connector is correctly plugged in.
    - Update the VAS 505X to the most recent version available.
    - The transmission must have an ATF temperature of more than 60° C.


    Proceed as follows to perform the basic setting:

    1.- Vehicle at standstill

    2.- Engine switched off

    3.- Gear lever in Parking position

    4.- Handbrake on

    5.- Brake pedal depressed


    With the VAS 505X connected and the ignition on (Current 15):

    1.- Enter Self-diagnosis

    2.- Select Transmission

    3.- Basic settings

    4.- Enter value block 60 and Q

    The following reference values are displayed:


    253 1 12: The basic setting has commenced

    4 0 0: Start the engine

    254 0 0: The basic setting has been successfully completed

    255 0 0: The basic setting was interrupted


    If value 254 is displayed, this indicates that the basic setting has ended successfully, then

    switch off the ignition and remove the key, 3 seconds.


    ATTENTION!

    When test driving the vehicle, traffic conditions must be observed.


    Start the vehicle and test drive vehicle for the initial learning of the DSG (0AM – 7sp.) gearbox.

    Test drive:

    1-Place the gear lever in position D and perform two driving cycles

    forwards from 0 km/h to 2nd gear.

    Place the gear lever in position R and perform two driving cycles in

    reverse (drive for a few metres).


    2-Place the gear lever in Tiptronic.

    Drive in all gears including reverse gear (R).

    Drive in each gear for at least 3 seconds.


    3-Place the gear lever in Tiptronic.

    Alternate between an odd number gear (3 or 5 or 7) and an even number gear

    (4 or 6).

    Keep the engine speed between 2000 and 4500 rpm for approximately 5

    minutes in each odd and even number gear.

    Repeat twice.

    Continue test driving with different acceleration percentages.

    The Mechatronics control unit must give the maximum acceleration values for a moment.

    The vehicle maximum speed must not be reached.


    4-Lastly, test drive the vehicle with the customer and confirm the improvements in the

    DSG (0AM – 7sp.) gearbox gears.


    Drive in D (Drive) and R (Reverse).

    If the gears jerk or are harsh, repeat step 3.

    Check value blocks 180-1 and 200-1. The number should be at least 3

    for each clutch adaptation.

    It is not possible to recommend the class and form or the required length.


    An unjustified repair or replacement of the part may lead to the refusal of the warranty claim.


    Warranty accounting instructions

    TA no. / Anomaly / Manufacturer: 3511 / 0040 / …


    No. of work position Description of work position Time Units (TU)
    01 50 00 00 Guided fault finding/guided function According to diagnosis log. 1)


    1) The times indicated are only applicable to this TPI. When submitting the warranty application, please include the number of the TPI used to streamline the process.

    Parts information

    When necessary, consult the genuine parts catalogue to obtain the part in its most updated form.

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    • #17
      I tried a clutch adaption reset technique in the Basic Settings (block 200) to try to fix a problem, which didn't help, so I tried this out tonight. I didn't receive the expected output though:



      Do I assume that the 255 means it failed? Any idea what 93 means, and where to go from here?

      After waiting for about 2 minutes (in case the numbers would change again) I closed VCDS and decided to test the car out, put it in reverse, and slowly left my parking space - was nice and smooth, just as I went to apply some more power, I hear the car rev as in neutral. Try driving forwards again, same thing. See a car coming towards me. Commence panicking.

      Try turning the car off and back on again, and everything works fine. Notice the instruction at the end that says to turn the car off when completed (thought I did that but can't remember) - anyway sigh of relief.

      The car did drive smoother than before but I didn't get a chance to completely test if the original problem was fixed (car revs up and down inbetween 2700-3000rpm when applying moderate power in gears 4 and 6).

      Thanks for the instructions, if you have any other comments please let me know.
      Some say he was the Stig... all we know is that he drives a VW Transporter.
      Audi A3

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      • #18
        Ryan_R,
        I'm so sorry, but only now have to see your post.

        255 in first field means error that was occurred during process of Basic Settings for DSG-7(0AM).
        Second field is specific error code, your have 93. This is “Neutral Switch n_An timeout”.

        Let me share for all full error list (specific error codes) that maybe shown if you have 255 in first field.
        This list on German language (in original), but may be easy translated by Google, for example.

        {

        0 0 kein Abbruch
        1 1 Abbruch durch User
        2 2 Keine Grd-Teilvorgabe (2)
        3 3 Voraussetzungen Timeout (3)
        4 4 Neutralschalten wenig Speicherdruck (4)
        5 5 Systemvorbereitung n_An Timeout (5)
        6 6 Neutralschalten GS13 Timeout (6)
        7 7 Warte auf Motorstart Timeout (7)
        8 8 Systemvorbereitung p_Speicher Timeout (
        9 9 Wellenkontrolle W1 Timeout (9)
        10 10 Kupplung Nulllage K2 nicht stabil (10)
        11 11 Kupplung Nulllage K1 nicht stabil (11)
        12 12 Vorbereitung Eingelegt p_Speicher Timeout (12)
        13 13 Eingelegtpos Gangeinl G1 unplausibel Timeout (13)
        14 14 Eingelegtpos Neutralsch GS13 Timeout (14)
        15 15 Vorbereitung Sync-Punkt GS13 stabil Timeout (15)
        16 16 Vorbereitung Sync-Punkt n_An Timeout (16)
        17 17 Kupplungswegrampe1 Schleifpunkt Timeout (17)
        18 18 Kupplungswegrampe2 Offset Timeout (1
        19 19 Kupplungswegrampe3 x-Nm G1 Timeout (19)
        20 20 Kupplungswegrampe4 Kup_auf Timeout (20)
        21 21 Kupplungswegrampe5 ZuPunkt_K1 Timeout (21)
        22 22 Kupplungswegrampe6 Kup_auf Timeout (22)
        23 23 Kupplungswegrampe7 Kup_auf Timeout (23)
        24 24 Kupplungswegrampe8 Timeout (24)
        25 25 Kupplungswegrampe9 Timeout (25)
        26 26 Kupplungswegrampe10 Kup_auf Timeout (26)
        27 27 Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. G1 Timeout (27)
        28 28 Neutralpos. nach x_NM GS13 Timeout (2
        29 29 Druckrampe2 WDK Timeout (29)
        30 30 Pruefe Druckrampe2 WDK Timeout (30)
        31 31 Druckrampe4 WDK Timeout (31)
        32 32 Druckrampe3 WDK Werteableg1 Timeout (32)
        33 33 Druckrampe5 WDK Werteableg2 Timeout (33)
        34 34 WegDruck Kennl. NEw oder KupZu stabil Timeout (34)
        35 35 Druckrampe6_Kupwegrampe8 Kup_auf Timeout (35)
        36 36 Kennwerte Ablegen Timeout (36)
        37 37 Druckstuetzstelle unplausibel (37)
        38 38 Kupwegrampe11 Kup_auf Timeout (3
        39 39 Kupwegrampe12 Kup_auf Timeout (39)
        40 40 Neutralschalten GS24 Timeout (40)
        41 41 Neutralschalten GS57 Timeout (41)
        42 42 Neutralschalten GS6R Timeout (42)
        43 43 Neutralschalten K1 Timeout (43)
        44 44 Neutralschalten K2 Timeout (44)
        45 45 Wellenkontrolle W2 Timeout (45)
        46 46 Wellenkontrolle K1 Timeout (46)
        47 47 Wellenkontrolle K2 Timeout (47)
        48 48 Vorbereitung Eingelegt K1 Timeout (4
        49 49 Vorbereitung Eingelegt K2 Timeout (49)
        50 50 Vorbereitung Eingelegt GS13 Timeout (50)
        51 51 Vorbereitung Eingelegt GS24 Timeout (51)
        52 52 Vorbereitung Eingelegt GS57 Timeout (52)
        53 53 Vorbereitung Eingelegt GS6R Timeout (53)
        54 54 Eingelegtpos Gangeinl G2 unlpausibel Timeout (54)
        55 55 Eingelegtpos Gangeinl G3 unplausibel Timeout (55)
        56 56 Eingelegtpos Gangeinl G4 unplausibel Timeout (56)
        57 57 Eingelegtpos Gangeinl G5 unplausibel Timeout (57)
        58 58 Eingelegtpos Gangeinl G6 unplausibel Timeout (5
        59 59 Eingelegtpos Gangeinl G7 unplausibel Timeout (57)
        60 60 Eingelegtpos Gangeinl GR unplausibel Timeout (60)
        61 61 Eingelegtpos Neutralsch GS24 Timeout (61)
        62 62 Eingelegtpos Neutralsch GS57 Timeout (62)
        63 63 Eingelegtpos Neutralsch GS6R Timeout (63)
        64 64 Vorbereitung Sync-Punkt GS24 stabil Timeout (64)
        65 65 Vorbereitung Sync-Punkt GS65 stabil Timeout (65)
        66 66 Vorbereitung Sync-Punkt GS66 stabil Timeout (66)
        67 67 Vorbereitung Sync-Punkt W1 stabil Timeout (67)
        68 68 Kupplungswegrampe3 x-Nm G2 Timeout (6
        69 69 Kupplungswegrampe3 x-Nm G3 Timeout (69)
        70 70 Kupplungswegrampe3 x-Nm G4 Timeout (70)
        71 71 Kupplungswegrampe3 x-Nm G5 Timeout (71)
        72 72 Kupplungswegrampe3 x-Nm G6 Timeout (72)
        73 73 Kupplungswegrampe3 x-Nm G7 Timeout (73)
        74 74 Kupplungswegrampe3 x-Nm GR Timeout (74)
        75 75 Kupplungswegrampe5 ZuPunkt_K2 Timeout (75)
        83 83 Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. G2 Timeout (83)
        84 84 Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. G3 Timeout (84)
        85 85 Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. G4 Timeout (85)
        86 86 Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. G5 Timeout (86)
        87 87 Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. G6 Timeout (87)
        88 88 Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. G7 Timeout (8
        89 89 Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. GR Timeout (89)
        90 90 Neutralpos. nach x_NM GS24 Timeout (90)
        91 91 Neutralpos. nach x_NM GS57 Timeout (91)
        92 92 Neutralpos. nach x_NM GS6R Timeout (93)
        93 93 Neutralschalten n_An Timeout (93)
        94 94 Vorbereitung Sync-Punkt W2 stabil Timeout (94)
        100 100 Kupwegrampe 14 Kup_zu K1 Timeout
        101 101 Kupwegrampe 14 Kup_zu K2 Timeout
        102 102 Kupwegrampe 15 Kup_auf K1 Timeout
        103 103 Kupwegrampe 15 Kup_auf K2 Timeout
        128 128 Vorausetzung Fehler: Temperatur
        256 256 Vorausetzung Fehler: Waehlhebel nicht in P
        512 512 Vorausetzung Fehler: Fzg-Geschw. nicht NULL
        1024 1024 Vorausetzung Fehler: TG1/2 ausgefallen
        2048 2048 Vorausetzung Fehler: Batteriespannung niedrig
        4096 4096 Vorausetzung Fehler: Hardwarediagnose aktiv
        8192 8192 Vorausetzung Fehler: Antriebsdrehzahl ausserhalb Grenzen

        }

        I hope, this will help you.

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        • #19
          Thanks for that. My car is actually getting a new mechatronics installed today (after new clutch pack 2 months ago) so hopefully I won't need to try this again, but good to know regardless.

          Any idea what it means by Neutral timeout - was I supposed to engage neutral during the procedure?


          Here's the English from Google translate:


          0 0 no abort
          1 1 Cancelled by User
          2 2 No Grd part predefinition (2)
          3 3 Prerequisites timeout (3)
          4 4 Neutral Switch little memory pressure (4)
          5 5 System Preparation n_An timeout (5)
          6 6 Neutral Switch GS13 timeout (6)
          7 7 Wait for engine starting out (7)
          8 8 System Preparation p_Speicher timeout (
          9 9 shaft W1 control timeout (9)
          10 10 K2 clutch zero position is not stable (10)
          11 11 clutch K1 zero position is not stable (11)
          12 12 Preparation Pickled p_Speicher timeout (12)
          13 13 Eingelegtpos Gangeinl G1 timeout implausible (13)
          14 14 Eingelegtpos Neutralsch GS13 timeout (14)
          15 15 Preparation sync point GS13 stable timeout (15)
          16 16 Preparation sync point n_An timeout (16)
          17 17 Kupplungswegrampe1 grinding point out (17)
          18 18 Kupplungswegrampe2 offset timeout (1
          19 19 x-Nm Kupplungswegrampe3 timeout G1 (19)
          20 20 Kupplungswegrampe4 Kup_auf timeout (20)
          21 21 Kupplungswegrampe5 ZuPunkt_K1 timeout (21)
          22 22 Kupplungswegrampe6 Kup_auf timeout (22)
          23 23 Kupplungswegrampe7 Kup_auf timeout (23)
          24 24 Kupplungswegrampe8 timeout (24)
          25 25 Kupplungswegrampe9 timeout (25)
          26 26 Kupplungswegrampe10 Kup_auf timeout (26)
          27 27 Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. G1 Timeout (27)
          28 28 Neutralpos. x_NM timeout after GS13 (2
          29 29 Druckrampe2 WDK timeout (29)
          30 30 CheckMe Druckrampe2 WDK timeout (30)
          31 31 Druckrampe4 WDK timeout (31)
          32 32 Druckrampe3 WDK Werteableg1 timeout (32)
          33 33 Druckrampe5 WDK Werteableg2 timeout (33)
          34 34 WegDruck Char. NEw KupZu timeout or stable (34)
          35 35 Druckrampe6_Kupwegrampe8 Kup_auf timeout (35)
          36 36 Characteristics dropping out (36)
          37 37 Druckstuetzstelle implausible (37)
          38 38 Kupwegrampe11 Kup_auf timeout (3
          39 39 Kupwegrampe12 Kup_auf timeout (39)
          40 40 Neutral Switch GS24 timeout (40)
          41 41 Neutral Switch GS57 timeout (41)
          42 42 Neutral Switch GS6R timeout (42)
          43 43 Neutral Switch K1 timeout (43)
          44 44 Neutral Switch K2 timeout (44)
          45 45 W2 wave control timeout (45)
          46 46 K1 wave control timeout (46)
          47 47 K2 timeout control shaft (47)
          48 48 Preparation Pickled K1 timeout (4
          49 49 Preparation Pickled K2 timeout (49)
          50 50 Preparation Pickled GS13 timeout (50)
          51 51 Preparation Pickled GS24 timeout (51)
          52 52 Preparation Pickled GS57 timeout (52)
          53 53 Preparation Pickled GS6R timeout (53)
          54 54 Eingelegtpos Gangeinl G2 unlpausibel timeout (54)
          55 55 Eingelegtpos Gangeinl G3 timeout implausible (55)
          56 56 Eingelegtpos Gangeinl G4 timeout implausible (56)
          57 57 Eingelegtpos Gangeinl G5 timeout implausible (57)
          58 58 Eingelegtpos Gangeinl G6 timeout implausible (5
          59 59 Eingelegtpos Gangeinl G7 timeout implausible (57)
          60 60 Eingelegtpos Gangeinl GR implausible timeout (60)
          61 61 Eingelegtpos Neutralsch GS24 timeout (61)
          62 62 Eingelegtpos Neutralsch GS57 timeout (62)
          63 63 Eingelegtpos Neutralsch GS6R timeout (63)
          64 64 Preparation sync point GS24 timeout stable (64)
          65 65 Preparation sync point GS65 timeout stable (65)
          66 66 Preparation sync point GS66 timeout stable (66)
          67 67 Preparation sync point W1 timeout stable (67)
          Kupplungswegrampe3 x 68 68 Nm-G2 timeout (6
          Kupplungswegrampe3 x 69 69 Nm G3-out (69)
          Kupplungswegrampe3 x 70 70 Nm G4-Timeout (70)
          Kupplungswegrampe3 x 71 71 Nm G5-Timeout (71)
          Kupplungswegrampe3 x 72 72 Nm G6-Timeout (72)
          Kupplungswegrampe3 x 73 73 Nm G7-Timeout (73)
          Kupplungswegrampe3 x 74 74 Nm GR-Timeout (74)
          75 75 Kupplungswegrampe5 ZuPunkt_K2 timeout (75)
          83 83 Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. G2 timeout (83)
          84 84 Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. G3 timeout (84)
          85 85 Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. G4 timeout (85)
          86 86 Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. G5 timeout (86)
          87 87 Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. G6 timeout (87)
          88 88 Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. G7 timeout (8
          89 89 Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. GR timeout (89)
          90 90 Neutralpos. x_NM timeout after GS24 (90)
          91 91 Neutralpos. x_NM timeout after GS57 (91)
          92 92 Neutralpos. after x_NM GS6R timeout (93)
          93 93 Neutral Switch n_An timeout (93)
          94 94 Preparation sync point W2 stable timeout (94)
          100 100 14 Kupwegrampe Kup_zu K1 timeout
          101 101 14 Kupwegrampe Kup_zu K2 timeout
          102 102 15 Kupwegrampe Kup_auf K1 timeout
          103 103 15 Kupwegrampe Kup_auf K2 timeout
          128 128 Precondition Error: Temperature
          256 256 prerequisite error: selector lever is not in P
          512 512 Precondition Error: Car-Speed. not NULL
          1024 1024 prerequisite errors: TG 1/2 failed
          2048 2048 prerequisite errors: battery voltage is low
          4096 4096 prerequisite error: Hardware Diagnostics active
          8192 8192 prerequisite errors: input speed limits outside
          Some say he was the Stig... all we know is that he drives a VW Transporter.
          Audi A3

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          • #20
            Ryan_R, you are welcome!

            About «Neutral timeout» I guess (IMHO) that in one of step, procedure «Basic Settings» has trying to go to Neutral (for any needed reason) and can’t to do that, waiting timeout has gone and procedure is stopped with reporting specific error (the 93 in this case).

            This behavior may reflect a problem with internal valves inside mechatronic (IMHO).

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            • #21
              I hope nobody gets fault codes 48 thru 53 LOL!!
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              • #22
                Would this basic setting be useful to try and stop intermittent judder in gear 2?

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                • #23
                  To Digitalic.
                  YOU are Da MAN
                  fixed my passat. Was shudding and feeling awefull.
                  Now its like a new car.
                  If any babe u fail to nail disrespects you tell em John boy in AU said YOU ARE THE MAN

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