118TSI motor in Polo GTI

[Cossor]

VW have increased power, torque etc for this motor in Golf GTI.
Wondering what is trade off? eg, does torque now have a more narrow band or peak rev
for max torque?
OR, has APR been endorsed by VW?"!!!
EG, just a chip replacement?

[Corey_R]

This is discussion for the Polo forum. You'd probably find your answers there too, but I'll answer here anyway.

There is no real trade off, the torque is increased too.
118TSI:
118kW @ 5900rpm
240Nm @ 1750-4500rpm

Polo GTI:
132kW @ 6200rpm
249Nm @ 2000-4500rpm

So although the peak torque is 250rpm higher, it's probably still got around 240Nm @ 1750rpm.
Although APR ECU's have been used by VW in several models around the world, this is just a different tune by Volkswagen themselves, due to the fact that the Polo GTI is a sports model, whereas the 118TSI is not.

[MariusGT]

the 118TSI is NOT a sports model?

in the strictest sense maybe not... but it is the fastest golf without stepping up to the GTI or R.
In the mkV (before the GT/GT Sport limited release) the 'sport' model was released with 2 engine options 2.0FSI and 2.0TDI.

so wouldn't the quickest engine in the VI be deemed the 'sport' model in the regular range?

or am i way of base?

[Corey_R]

the 118TSI is NOT a sports model?

in the strictest sense maybe not... but it is the fastest golf without stepping up to the GTI or R.
In the mkV (before the GT/GT Sport limited release) the 'sport' model was released with 2 engine options 2.0FSI and 2.0TDI.

so wouldn't the quickest engine in the VI be deemed the 'sport' model in the regular range?

or am i way of base?

You're off base. You're either a sport model or you're in the "regular range". The 118TSI is in the regular range, period.

[noone]

Ah Coreying, again handing out your strict view of the world.

There was a Mk5 TSI called the 'sport', but I don't really think it matters what its called.

So Coreying, if its only sport or regular, what is the 'R' series?

[Cossor]

My interest was to see how further VW pushed this design, without compromise re reliability.
The release of the more powerful version, indicated there is still a good safety margin in the basic design,
providing not done at expense of wide torque range.

[Corey_R]

Ah Coreying, again handing out your strict view of the world.

There was a Mk5 TSI called the 'sport', but I don't really think it matters what its called.

So Coreying, if its only sport or regular, what is the 'R' series?

Guys look. If Volkswagen makes the car, I think it's up to them to position them. They don't position the 118TSI, nor the 103TDI, 90TSI or 77TDI as "sports models". So why the need to question this?

I think people here need to stop being so defensive of their purchases. All Golf's are great cars. But there is a hierachy defined by Volkswagen. Trendline, Comfortline, GTx, R.
I find it so strange that so many people get all defensive that they've purchased the car that they've purchased! The 118TSI is a great car. But it's not a GTI. A GTI is not an R.

[MariusGT]

You're off base. You're either a sport model or you're in the "regular range". The 118TSI is in the regular range, period.

are you kidding?

so you are telling me that in the VI range of engines and builds only the R and GTI are what you consider "sport".

some might say a 5 dr hatchback is no sports car. however the 3 dr range (of gti R and rocco) are. that a ferrari, porsche, lambo etc are the only sports cars. has to be a coupe to be a sports car. and so on and so on...........

90TSI = non sport
77TDI= non sport
118TSI= non sport
103TDI = non sport

to quote VW on the 118TSI:

"Pinnacle of Performance
Place your own stamp on your Comfortline’s features. With the optional Sport Package, designed just for the Comfortline, you’ll enjoy. 17” Seattle alloy wheels, sports suspension and sports seats - for that extra chicane-handling performance, with low tyre-pressure indicator to help you stay fully pumped. Dark tinted rear side and rear windows optimise daytime driving, while front fog lights with static cornering illuminate any low-speed corners you may turn."

that's a lot of SPORT equipment for a non-sport model!!!!

[Corey_R]

My interest was to see how further VW pushed this design, without compromise re reliability.
The release of the more powerful version, indicated there is still a good safety margin in the basic design,
providing not done at expense of wide torque range.

If you remember, the 1.4TSI was originally in the "GT Sport" and produced 125kw in that. It was then detuned for power and reworked for fuel efficiency for the 118TSI, again as the 118TSI is positioned as a standard model Golf where economy takes priority over power.

[Cossor]

Except of course, if you order the 118TSI, OR 103TDI with sports pack.

[Corey_R]

are you kidding?

so you are telling me that in the VI range of engines and builds only the R and GTI are what you consider "sport".

some might say a 5 dr hatchback is no sports car. however the 3 dr range (of gti R and rocco) are. that a ferrari, porsche, lambo etc are the only sports cars. has to be a coupe to be a sports car. and so on and so on...........

90TSI = non sport
77TDI= non sport
118TSI= non sport
103TDI = non sport

to quote VW on the 118TSI:

"Pinnacle of Performance
Place your own stamp on your Comfortline’s features. With the optional Sport Package, designed just for the Comfortline, you’ll enjoy. 17” Seattle alloy wheels, sports suspension and sports seats - for that extra chicane-handling performance, with low tyre-pressure indicator to help you stay fully pumped. Dark tinted rear side and rear windows optimise daytime driving, while front fog lights with static cornering illuminate any low-speed corners you may turn."

that's a lot of SPORT equipment for a non-sport model!!!!

Buddy, you're making my argument for me!
As I said, the 118TSI is not a sport model. Having all the "sports" components as OPTIONS just proves this. Because obviously if it WERE a sports model, all those parts would already be on the car.

[MariusGT]

If you remember, the 1.4TSI was originally in the "GT Sport" and produced 125kw in that. It was then detuned for power and reworked for fuel efficiency for the 118TSI, again as the 118TSI is positioned as a standard model Golf where economy takes priority over power.

OK fair point the 118 has been reworked or detuned in conjunction with the 7speed dsg for economy..

however i still believe the 118 is positioned as the sport model without stepping up to the pointy end where the GTI and R sit.

[MariusGT]

Buddy, you're making my argument for me!
As I said, the 118TSI is not a sport model. Having all the "sports" components as OPTIONS just proves this. Because obviously if it WERE a sports model, all those parts would already be on the car.

so where does the 118 sit in comparison to the 90 77 and 103?

[Corey_R]

so where does the 118 sit in comparison to the 90 77 and 103?

90TSI & 77TDI = Trendline
118TSI & 103TDI = Comfortline.

I'm sorry to be upsetting anyone here by pointing out what Volkswagen call and position the cars as, but this is the reality of the MK6 range.

MariusGT, I mean no offense to you or anyone else. I can see you drive a GT Sport. In the MKV range VW decided to place the GT's inbetween the Comfortline's and GTI/R32, but with the MK6 they decided to not do this. Maybe this is why they offer the "Sports Package" you mention. Either way, the 118TSI is on the same level as the 103TDI - as the two Comfortline models.

[jayjay]

I don't think anyone here is being particularly constructive.

Whilst this has nothing to with what the OP questioned, obviously the 118 has more power and torque than the others - 90tsi, 77tdi etc. however it is simply not marketed under an associated high performance label.

Useless semantic arguments don't help any body.

to the original question at hand, APR do not do in house performance tuning for volkswagen.