DSG in the GOLF R

[REXman]

Hey guys, If anyone knows, or owns a GOLF R, can they tell me if its tru that the gearbox automatically upshifts gears now when it hits redline/fuelcut out?

I know the GTI stays in gear which is great I think. I hope the R does the same, or at least can be changed.

I am referring to sports mode as I dont mind what It does in the other modes.

Thaniks

[galtaforce]

I know the GTI stays in gear which is great I think. I hope the R does the same, or at least can be changed.

The GTI will upshift at maximum engine speed in manual mode.

[REXman]

The GTI will upshift at maximum engine speed in manual mode.

Oh ok, I thought it held gear from my test drive.. obviously not then.

Anyway to change this?

[elisiX]

In my GTI while using S the needle goes well into the red before it upshifts.

[Corey_R]

Yeah - I'm not sure you'd want to change this to be honest. As elisiX said, it will go into the redline before it changes.
I know that some of the tuners can raise the shifting point, but this is only performed in response to upgrading of engine internals, as well as the usual Stage III upgrades (turbo, intercooler, intake, pipes, headers, exhaust, etc)

[REXman]

Yeah - I'm not sure you'd want to change this to be honest. As elisiX said, it will go into the redline before it changes.
I know that some of the tuners can raise the shifting point, but this is only performed in response to upgrading of engine internals, as well as the usual Stage III upgrades (turbo, intercooler, intake, pipes, headers, exhaust, etc)

I dont know how true this is, but apparently the R has some upgraded internals already which might help (im thinking like when the STI in the 2.0L motor had forged pistons and could handle a lot more than the WRX).

But yeah its not so much the rev limit i want increased (but damn Ill take it!), its the fact that it automatically upshifts losing that manual feel that I want to correct

[Corey_R]

Yes, the R already has upgraded internals over the GTI.
But yeah - if it didn't upshift, then it'd just be bouncing off a rev limiter anyway... if you're worried about being able to hold it at or near the red line around long sweeping corners etc, then don't be, you can do that fine in manual mode.

[G-rig]

Changing gears in the red isn't really the fastest point to shift anyway is it?

Sports mode seems to hold it a bit too long up top IMO.

[fung9420]

it does up shifting. Just went for test drive the R yesterday...very nice car and well priced.

But i'd say it wont really be an iusse to stay in same gear as long as not rev over the Redline.
that's out of the max torque zone anyway. just take some time to learn the throttle. u will be fine.

[domlebo70]

Changing gears in the red isn't really the fastest point to shift anyway is it?

Sports mode seems to hold it a bit too long up top IMO.

Often it is. Otherwise the revs drop out of the power curve when you change up.

Not saying this is how it is on a GTI, but that whole "don't shift at the redline" is a bit of a myth perpetrated by a select few who's car's tail off massively at the redline.

[Corey_R]

This is obviously care of APR Australia.
This shows the 200kw (non-Australian) version of the Golf R, compared to the APR Stage I ECU on the same Golf R. Figures are at the flywheel and using what equates to 98 Octane fuel.

You can see that the power isn't really dropping off yet at 6500rpm. However, it's not a large peak there either. Torque has already dropped off significantly though. So you probably would be better off changing up rather than holding the revs at the redline anyway.

[REXman]

Yeah I was more concerned as you mention, about longer corners where you want to hold revs.. so manual mode is fine. Thats good to know !!

PS not bad for a stage one there

Should be quicker than the 5.7 they quote to a 100. And if you bothered doing the intercooler, Down pipe and Air intake.. should be alright.

This will be a car I dont replace the whole exhaust on (as I normally do). Apparently, If you isolate the part of the exhaust which is bottlenecking the flow, you might find you only need to change the DP, for instance.

I know on the XR6 Turbo for instance, the whole exhaust has been proven to be great and only needed the rear muffler changed for bang/buck. Apparently the rest of the exhaust flow well. Ill have to do soome research on the golf situation.

I cant be bothered upping the turbo on this one.. So ill probably just do the above (cooler, air, tune, DP).. which I am not sure what that would net.. but would be alright.

I'd love to know what a nicely worn in motor with 10-15000KMs on it makes..

[G-rig]

I cant be bothered upping the turbo on this one.. So ill probably just do the above (cooler, air, tune, DP).. which I am not sure what that would net.. but would be alright.

The re-tunes usually up the boost anyway i believe. Don't really know of anyone with boost controllers on VAG cars..

You seem to get most of the gains by replacing the downpipe/cat (as it's the most restrictive part), the rest of the exhaust is mainly for noise/looks.

[Maverick]

Yeah I was more concerned as you mention, about longer corners where you want to hold revs.. so manual mode is fine. Thats good to know !!

Why do you want to hold revs on longer corners? One of the benefits of the DSG is the ability to change gears mid corner without upsetting the car like you would in a manual.

PS not bad for a stage one there

Should be quicker than the 5.7 they quote to a 100. And if you bothered doing the intercooler, Down pipe and Air intake.. should be alright.

Why bother with the intercooler $$$$, downpipe $$$ and instake $$ when it will make little difference to the power but will make it obvious to Volkswagen that the car is modified and they may look further when warranty claims are made.

I cant be bothered upping the turbo on this one.. So ill probably just do the above (cooler, air, tune, DP).. which I am not sure what that would net.. but would be alright.

How do you think tuners make their power gains? They up fuel delivery and boost amongst others. The intercooler, dp and intake will make bugger all for a much bigger outlay.

I'd love to know what a nicely worn in motor with 10-15000KMs on it makes..

Probably the same as motor with 3,000km.

[Corey_R]

Well, if you were to also put the APR Intercooler, Carbonio Intake, APR Downpipe and APR Stage II software on there, you'd probably have about 255kW and 450Nm at the flywheel (I'm not sure if Guy_H has any graphs specifically with those updates on an R or S3 etc, I can only find details on the Stage II software with the DP). Stage II doesn't necessarily give a huge increase in peak numbers. It seems to flatten and widen the powerband and make it sound full of awesome