The Official Mk6 Golf DSG Clutch / Shudder / Squeal Issues Thread

[Alok]

Is this issue intermittent for other people as well? I find that on certain days the car runs perfectly fine and other days it shudders slightly, and occasionally violently. I just hope my car is having one of it's bad days when I take it in for the service...

[kevin118]

I have the same judder problem in low gears, and it is does seem better on some days compared to others, for sure. I took the car back just for this fault about a month ago and it was re-flashed (?) which fixed it for about a day. Seeing this thread I'll be taking it back again soon to see if I can get it fixed properly. I also have the annoying chirp (discussed at length elsewhere on this forum) which I knew about being a possible problem before I bought my car, for which I gather there's still no resolution.
Not loving the car as much as I used to!

[Bel]

The shudder in mine isn't something that happens all the time.. but it does at certain corners (maybe I take off at these quicker than others). I couldn't confidently take my car into a dealership and be able to take them for a spin and ensure that the shudder happened. I am hoping that if I leave it for a bit then it will be a fairly regular issue that VW has had to deal with and I will be able to get it fixed under warranty easily.
With the 'chirp/squeal' (fingers continually crossed)... mine was fixed by the waterpump replacement - I think I am just a lucky one though as supposedly it was pure luck that meant I got that particular waterpump as a replacement.

[Ryan_R]

Since everyone else seems to be having similar issues, I guess I don't mind admitting that I've also had K2 clutch issues since around 27,000kms (I'm now at 32,000kms). The most obvious flaw is a drivetrain shudder when in 6th gear applying little acceleration in order to maintain 60-80kph at low revs (1800-2200rpm). The shudder can be stopped immediately by (1) releasing the accelerator, (2) increasing acceleration (so that the supercharger starts to kick in), or (3) changing gear manually. VCDS finds a generic fault with the 2nd clutch, and I've occasionally felt the shudder in gears 2 and 4, but mostly it's 6th gear.

That said, this doesn't happen every trip (it seems to be fine one week, then not so great the next week, and so on), and it typically occurs when the engine is cold.

I've taken a VW guy for a drive but couldn't replicate it.

Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 0AM-300-04x.lbl
   Part No SW: 0AM 300 047 R    HW: 0AM 927 769 D
   Component: GSG DSG AG7     402 1306  
   Revision: 00040024    Serial number: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 3E5DEF2810E7

1 Fault Found:
006012 - Clutch 2: Tolerance Limit Reached 
               P177C - 003 - Mechanical Failure - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100011
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 48
                    Reset counter: 9
                    Mileage: 27384 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2017.14.29
                    Time: 17:40:58

[cktsi]

I have had the car for a day since they replaced the clutch pack. Just to clarify it sounds like it is a repair kit which includes not only the new clutch pack but also the shim.

The most immediate difference was no more clutch slip in the even gears (or the k2 clutch). However, when in drive mode, i still get a very mild shudder when taking off from a creep in D2.

Btw for those trying to replicate it for the dealer, the following helps...
1) take off after creeping slowly in D2 on a reasonably steep incline; or
2) take off after creeping slowly in D2 and having the steering wheel on full lock.

You are even more likely to replicate it if you can combine both 1 and 2.

Unfortunately it is one of those things that it is not always possible to replicate with someone in the car. It is odd that a certain combination of people will trigger the shudder as well.

I was surprised logging back into today that so many others have this issue. So good luck in resolving it.

As for my issue, i might ask them to reflash the mechatronics. I have a feeling they didnt do this and my mechatronics has adapted to the take up of the old clutch pack and doesnt realise there is a new set of pads in there.

I will also keep the group osted.

Unfortunately until i have fully resolved this i am still not keen to get the APR stage 1 reflash

[glennbot]

My Golf had about 30K on the clock when I first noticed the shudder. I found that problem was more noticeable when I had 4-5 people in the car going slow up hills. Now at 34K it does it most days when only I'm in the car.

I booked the car in to have the problem looked at last week and luckily they identified the problem when test driving it.

The service centre did a firmware upgrade but this didn't fix the issue.

They told me that VW is aware of the shudder issue with the DSG but at this stage there wasn't a solution. I was told that replacing the clutch wasn't a permanent solution.

As my car has only 9 months of warranty left, I'm concerned that I will have this problem for ever but the dealer told me that once the issue is logged then when a fix is found this will be done to my car even out of warranty (I might get this in writing later).

Over all I very happy with my Golf but I'm concerned that VW can fob people off with warranty issues but saying they are "looking into the problem" ie. Supercharge whistle, DSG shudder.

I have never heard of this with other car manufactures? Companies like Toyota do recalls with design issues.

The big question is - If this problem happens at 30K and is fixed, will it re-appear at 60K, 90K etc etc.?

You have to ask yourself if you would buy another VW if they don't take customers problems seriously?

Lets hope there is a permanent fix for this soon.

Cheers,

[Alok]

I think the reason there are so many unresolved issues is that the DSG is still a relatively new technology.

I am having the same shudder issue with my car to be taken in next week for a service, and I asked them to look in to the shudder at that time. My warranty will run out in about 6 months. I'm definitely going to extend it for another 3 years.

[RW1]

My car today developed a problem with the DSG. Normally when it's in 2nd gear in slow traffic the clutch take up from a slow crawl to acceleration is smooth.

Today the clutch take up from 2nd gear in "D" started getting rough - like there's a violent shudder for 2 seconds

Bulletin 2026097/1 issued 25.08.11. Transmission - Vibrations, jerking and clattering when changing 1 - 2 while accelerating.
1.4TSi / 7Spd DSG.

Customer's remarks:
Juddering/Clattering in 2nd gear for 2 seconds accelerating through 5 - 10kph or when changing 1st to 2nd at low speed or when reversing.
Occurs once the car has warmed up.

Reason:
Drop of friction value of multiple clutch.

Current situation:
Currently no effective repair possible. Repalcing the multiple clutch does does not effectively fix the complaint. There is no parts damage. Working on a solution.

Complaint not caused by the two-mass flywheel.

Postpone repairs until a solution is available.

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Description of your symptoms fit above exactly, only just issued this week.
I hope this helps.....

[Alok]

That's exactly my issue too. Where is the official website for these bulletins?

[skindoggy33]

mk6 golf 2nd gear shudder

Hi all im new to this forum & my wife drives a tsi90 with the dsg 7 speed the problems im having is it slightly shudders going into second gear but it does seem to only do it when it changes early into second it has done around 24000 ks it was pretty much doing it from new it has already had is 15000 service & I asked the service guy & he said it was only cause it was still near new & had not worn in yet but still does it anyone on hear had a similar experience with the dsg??

Thanks Nick

[Alok]

Hi all im new to this forum & my wife drives a tsi90 with the dsg 7 speed the problems im having is it slightly shudders going into second gear but it does seem to only do it when it changes early into second it has done around 24000 ks it was pretty much doing it from new it has already had is 15000 service & I asked the service guy & he said it was only cause it was still near new & had not worn in yet but still does it anyone on hear had a similar experience with the dsg??

Thanks Nick

The service guy lied to you. It needs to be fixed. My 90tsi is having the same issue and it's going in for 45,000km service next week.

[MIRSAD]

Hi,

On my daughters 90TSI (about 220000km) clutch pack was replaced. (correction 22,000km)

First they tried to install new software,
when it was not working they ordered (of course You have to wait couple of weeks) clutch pack ... few weeks after replacement it is looking OK .... but if that one is not working there is third stage of repair

[Mountainman]

Glad I bought the manual. MIRSAD - is that really 220,000km on your daughter's car?

[MIRSAD]

Glad I bought the manual. MIRSAD - is that really 220,000km on your daughter's car?

Sorry - 22,000KM

[CrimDub]

Bulletin 2026097/1 issued 25.08.11. Transmission - Vibrations, jerking and clattering when changing 1 - 2 while accelerating.
1.4TSi / 7Spd DSG.

Customer's remarks:
Juddering/Clattering in 2nd gear for 2 seconds accelerating through 5 - 10kph or when changing 1st to 2nd at low speed or when reversing.
Occurs once the car has warmed up.

Reason:
Drop of friction value of multiple clutch.

Current situation:
Currently no effective repair possible. Repalcing the multiple clutch does does not effectively fix the complaint. There is no parts damage. Working on a solution.

Complaint not caused by the two-mass flywheel.

Postpone repairs until a solution is available.

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Description of your symptoms fit above exactly, only just issued this week.
I hope this helps.....

My 118tsi had this problem, it got a new clutch pack around 30000kms. Up to about 45k now with no signs of the problem returning
I call bulls*#t on vw saying there if no fix, new clutch fixed mine( for now) It's more likely a "no cost effective fix until design change" situation.