Golf 118 TSI Engine Failures and Service Campaign 24S4

[bryant82]

Catalytic Converter / EPC Warning Lights MK6 2012 Golf

Hey,

I came to this forum for any help, so sorry for the newbie talk.

Just past 90,000 on my Golf 118 TSI 2012 EPC warning light show with the engine miss firing and engine rattle drove it shortly home, then gave it a start next morning Cat Converter light shows then EPC after a quick drive with still the engine firing and engine rattle.

I brought it brand new July 2012, so just out of warranty. Called the local dealer 20 km away, was told to bring it in. They weren't able to diagnose the problem and explained they will have to tear down the engine.

Long story short 3 weeks later, they still don't know the problem and haven't taken the head off yet. Worried about the time and $$$ its taking.

Any advise or assistance would be very helpful.

Cheers,

Ray

[Lucas_R]

Hole in your piston from running lean and hot no doubt like so many other 118TSI's.

If they say they are going to tear down the engine then the dealer knows its suffered the fate that so many other 118TSI have.

[tigger73]

Yes read the 118TSI thread for all the similar stories. Unfortunately these engines have a tendency to self-destruct.

Given its only just out of warranty Id be requesting the dealer/VW apply goodwill warranty and supply/install a replacement engine.

These are a known problem. The engine should last a lot longer than 3 years / 90,000km.


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[Haydennedyah]

I have just bought a new 2015 118 jetta,
hopefully this issue has gone now that it has been substantial years inbetween, still makes me feel some what sick
that it may happen though...

[AdamD]

I have just bought a new 2015 118 jetta,
hopefully this issue has gone now that it has been substantial years inbetween, still makes me feel some what sick
that it may happen though...

I don't recall hearing about any engines built after about 2012 having let go. Although older engines that have had the 24S4 campaign 'fix' applied, and even older rebuilt engines, have still blown. I expect VW has made many detail changes in the meantime that makes the engine less susceptible to failure. Can't say I personally would want to hold on to one beyond the warranty period however.

[Haydennedyah]

I don't recall hearing about any engines built after about 2012 having let go. Although older engines that have had the 24S4 campaign 'fix' applied, and even older rebuilt engines, have still blown. I expect VW has made many detail changes in the meantime that makes the engine less susceptible to failure. Can't say I personally would want to hold on to one beyond the warranty period however.

Yeh when I was working for VW I dont recall any newer vehicles coming back for any issues regarding the same engine issues. I took the chance as I really wanted a jetta in manual, 118 was the only option.
I guess I will probably be the best to be testing it as I will be driving many Ks with in the 3 years plus 2 years extended. Im quiet confident they have fixed it and updated software/engine components. I hope so because strangly I really like this engine its fun to drive and IMO the jetta just looks awesome.

[bryant82]

Hey,

I came to this forum for any help, so sorry for the newbie talk.

Just past 90,000 on my Golf 118 TSI 2012 EPC warning light show with the engine miss firing and engine rattle drove it shortly home, then gave it a start next morning Cat Converter light shows then EPC after a quick drive with still the engine firing and engine rattle.

I brought it brand new July 2012, so just out of warranty. Called the local dealer 20 km away, was told to bring it in. They weren't able to diagnose the problem and explained they will have to tear down the engine.

Long story short 3 weeks later, they still don't know the problem and haven't taken the head off yet. Worried about the time and $$$ its taking.

Any advise or assistance would be very helpful.

Cheers,

Ray

Thanks for the replies, Yep cracked Piston. VW has agreed to pay for 100% of Parts and 30% of the Labour. So I'm still out of pocket about $1400.

[Lucas_R]

Thanks for the replies, Yep cracked Piston. VW has agreed to pay for 100% of Parts and 30% of the Labour. So I'm still out of pocket about $1400.

They should be paying all of it. Damn VW cheats. Why should you have to pay $1,400 to repair an engine that has failed due to very well known and documented faults that VW have done nothing to rectify.

If i was you i would be fighting for them to pick up ALL of the labour costs. It's not your fault.

[tigger73]

Thanks for the replies, Yep cracked Piston. VW has agreed to pay for 100% of Parts and 30% of the Labour. So I'm still out of pocket about $1400.

I would be going for full cost of labour given its just out of warranty. Others have had the full cost covered. The engine should last more than 3 years without a major rebuild. You have protection under consumer law.


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[brad]

Thanks for the replies, Yep cracked Piston. VW has agreed to pay for 100% of Parts and 30% of the Labour. So I'm still out of pocket about $1400.

Have you discussed with the dealership your rights under the statutory warranty that is provided under consumer law? I'd recommend you give the ACCC a call and ask them if they can explain to you what your rights are.

The others are correct, you should be getting the whole thing for free (providing you have a complete service history - it doesn't have to be VW dealerships).

[plubowicz]

Have you discussed with the dealership your rights under the statutory warranty that is provided under consumer law? I'd recommend you give the ACCC a call and ask them if they can explain to you what your rights are.

The others are correct, you should be getting the whole thing for free (providing you have a complete service history - it doesn't have to be VW dealerships).

I just took my 118tsi 2011 golf due to EPC and Catalytic Converter light on at 85k km.. have been told they have to replace the entire engine.. thankfully I got extended warranty when I brought it new.

However this is just the tip of the problems. .this repair is coming up to around $30k in warranty repairs yet there is no real sign of it being written off..

I have had 4 sets of clutches (2 sets replaced a month a part in 2014), as well as pretty much everything in the front of the car except the radiator..

I am perplexed that VW and the extended warranty are going to keep paying for repairs instead of writing it off.. I have almost got 2 whole cars. . Anyone else in this problem?

[Snail Style]

Only insurance companies write off vehicles. A warranty or dealer cannot do that? :S

[brad]

they don't actually write off vehicles under warranty.

I do know of a Volvo T60 that Volvo couldn't fix (often it came back from the workshop worse). They took the car back after 12 months and sold him a new one for a token fee. The new car was also a POS so they refunded his money. Most unusual for Australia.

[jonesy2425]

Yet Another One

Hi all,

Potentially adding another blown engine here.

Mk6 Comfortline wagon, 118TSi DSG. Built 07/10, delivered 04/11.
97,000 km's
Cyl 1: 160 psi, 2: 165 psi, 3: 90 psi, 4: 170 psi

This is the wife's. She's pissed off to say the least.

Engine check light 3 weeks ago (when on an emergency family trip in Newcastle) drove it back to Canberra in manual mode keeping it above 2000rpm. Got it to the dealership we bought it from the next day, they advised their computer couldn't talk to the car (blue oval) so booked it into VW, but 2 weeks later. They cleared the fault and said we could drive the car carefully. Got it to VW dealer last Thursday, within 2 hrs they diagnosed Misfire in Cyl. 3, and did a compression test. Now we have to wait another 2 weeks before their workshop engine bays are free to strip and seek guidance from VWA. I've read this whole thread and are convinced it's a rebuild or replacement engine. We have to pay VW $880 to strip it, regardless if it is repaired under goodwill or not. So three weeks without a car than another 14 days, don't see us having a car before Christmas. All the dealership loaners are booked out.

We bought the car second hand from a blue oval dealership, the car was traded in. It was originally bought and serviced in full from VW dealer here. Not owning a Golf before, the only issue I knew about was the DSG one, (Car has had 37G7 & 35C1 completed) so I felt reassured. Not feeling that now...

The car is out of warranty, we have a small one with the blue oval ($1000k) which should cover the strip fee, the VW dealer has been quite good, and will be pushing for full good will. either way will not be paying a cent and will be going to ACAT and ACCC, as this is certainly not fit for purpose!

My previous car was a tuned (throttlehappy bum dyno tune) MY06 Forest XT, and have always run Premium in the Golf (Prefer Shell V Power, but reading other posts I might change that to BP)

We have a 2001 323 Astina still going strong, have had numerous cars ranging from Nissan's, Toyota's and Mazda's, none had major engine troubles. The wifes old car was a Barina (Opal Corsa) which went through two timing chains and 2 head gaskets (the second gasket was because we followed the wrong workshop manual headbolt torque )

Will post updates

Jonesy

[Lucas_R]

Definitely sounds like a hole in your #3 piston looking at those compression results. Either that or a burnt valve/failed piston rings etc leading to a loss in compression - but the hole in the piston is the most common by far for this engine. Sorry to hear but its all too common for this engine. All the best for the repair process.

The Barina 1.4L (Opel Corsa) was a rubbish engine too - just FYI as you mentioned that you had issues with that car. The 1.8L version that they used in the Astra of the same era was also rubbish.