MKVI GTI ECU Upgrade...Which is Best?

[KWICKS]

Since you are in NSW, pop in & see Derek & you can see his own MKVI demo car.

I spotted it on the road the other day heading up Mona Vale Road at 5:30pm-ish. Looks flashy.

[Corey_R]

Depending on build date, the method will vary! VW is retrospectively re-flashing 1024 bit encryption onto earlier build cars. All 15 APR dealers now have the new tools to do all models regardless of build date.

The benefit of the APR system is that you can switch on the fly to stock mode if the car is being serviced. Plus if the power is disconnected say after an accident or an electrical problem the car is back in stock mode with no way to tell that it's been flashed unless you enter the code (optional feature).

But now that these new VW's (and older cars depending on whether VW have 'retrospectively re-flashed with 1024 bit encryption') need to have the ECU physically removed to be flashed on a bench with the new APR equipment, is there actually any point to the 'security lock out' feature of the APR? Like if the dealers can tell the flash has been done just by looking at the screens on the ECU module/cover ?!

[Lima]

"MKVI GTI ECU Upgrade...Which is Best?"

GIAC is best.

I read it on the internet.

[Tim]

"MKVI GTI ECU Upgrade...Which is Best?"

GIAC is best.

I read it on the internet.

haha i know youre takin the piss but GIAC hasnt even released their MK6 GTI upgrade yet. As usual they arent first to the market but as you say im sure they will be the best

[Qikas]

..is there actually any point to the 'security lock out' feature of the APR? Like if the dealers can tell the flash has been done just by looking at the screens on the ECU module/cover ?!

A security lock-out feature could make it easier to spot, maybe more so than tell-tale signs the ECU had been removed or tampered with. If the OEM ECU numbers don’t show up on their diagnostic equip (happens with some generic maps), then that’s obvious. ...they could also hold the cruise control button for a few seconds too, just to check

[fuzion]

Go with what suits you and whoever is closest.

At the end of the day, everyone has their opinion who they think is better, and how they're car feels to them..

GIAC
UNITRONIC
APR
REVO

your money, your choice

at the end of it, its all the same **** !

[Maverick]

A security lock-out feature could make it easier to spot, maybe more so than tell-tale signs the ECU had been removed or tampered with. If the OEM ECU numbers don’t show up on their diagnostic equip (happens with some generic maps), then that’s obvious. ...they could also hold the cruise control button for a few seconds too, just to check

Dealers can't tell if you have the APR flash without sending the ECU away to be checked which they're not going to bother doing except in extreme cases like they suspect it's been flashed (ie higher boost).

They can't only hold down the cruise button if the security lockout hasn't been purchased, if this has been purchased there is no way they can tell it's there.

[Corey_R]

Yeah - as Maverick said, the APR ECU's security lock out feature made it impossible for the dealers to tell. Holding the cruise control does nothing if its enables.

But now that the ECU appears to need to be physically removed from the car... that's a bit more concerning.

[shaq]

If you forked out bucket loads of mula for a new Golf with new warranty, id leave the car as is till the warranty runs out, cause the car as it is is powerful enough. yes of course the more the better cause its more fun, but id wait till the warranty finishes then start modding your @ss off !

[iBoost]

That's 6 years away shaq, I'm impatient.

And besides, I'll probably only have the car 3 - 4 years. Chip is going on it for sure, just a matter of which one.

[Guy_H]

APR still undetectable & security lockout (if you purchase it) still works!

[Lima]

haha i know youre takin the piss but GIAC hasnt even released their MK6 GTI upgrade yet. As usual they arent first to the market but as you say im sure they will be the best

Yep, just fooling around.

[Qikas]

Yeah - as Maverick said, the APR ECU's security lock out feature made it impossible for the dealers to tell.

Yeah ok, wasn't sure. But what would happen if for eg, a dealer tech decided to load a complete new OEM ECU program (and the security lock out was activated)?? Would that prevent them from loading it (and make it obvious something was in there)? ..don't they have ways to check for flash counts, boost logs etc as well? dunno

[Maverick]

Yeah ok, wasn't sure. But what would happen if for eg, a dealer tech decided to load a complete new OEM ECU program (and the security lock out was activated)?? Would that prevent them from loading it (and make it obvious something was in there)? ..don't they have ways to check for flash counts, boost logs etc as well? dunno

Flash counter is the same as it was when you loaded the flash.

No boost logging (even if they did APR etc would only need to reduce the log amount by the amount of extra boost to get around it).

And they can load over the top of the APR (and other flashes) without any problems. All you do than is go back to your APR (or other flash supplier) and get them to reflash you.

The security lockout only stops you from changing programs.

[gldgti]

Flash counter is the same as it was when you loaded the flash.

No boost logging (even if they did APR etc would only need to reduce the log amount by the amount of extra boost to get around it).

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must only be me using mechanical guages nowadays....