Golf GTD CONFIRMED FOR AUSTRALIA!!!

[Mk6 GTI]

GTD + chip or R20 + chip = win.

GTI is now more of a daily driver for people who want to give it a bootful every now and then imho.

Why bother with the GTI when you can get the GTD and chip it so similar figures, yet save more fuel.

I only went the petrol variant of the tiguan becasue it was 3k less than the diesel at RRP.
If it was placed under the petrol price, i would have gone diesel no questions.

I guees you would get a GTI over a GTD because a GTI doesnt sound like a truck lol..infact sounds great. Its quicker, looks better with the detroits and the split exhausts, handles better, Servicing is cheaper..??

[pologti18t]

I thought the R came standard with cloth trim now.... are bixenon standard either?

[Corey_R]

I read something somewhere saying the GTD didnt have the XDS Diff?

GTD definitely has XDS diff in the UK spec car, so I'd expect we'll probably get it too.

Not that much price difference between an optioned up GTI and a R

That's not true. If the R comes in at R32 prices, than a fully optioned R 5dr (without electric adjusting drivers seat due to Recaros not having that) would be $90,500 on the roads in NSW (before Negotiation) compared with $71,00 for the GTI.
Note that much of this is due to the Recaros ($4000) and the 33% LCT.

[MariusGT]

The way I see it is fairly simple:

some people LIKE diesel engine characteristics. Massive torque, fuel miser..
tdi drivers feel free to chime in?

The GTD is a diesel alternative to the GTI.

[logger]

Where did these specs come from? The GTD certainly does have the XDS 'Diff'. Has VWA said that they're removing it for Australia?

Yeah given that it this much hyped "diff" is just software coding for the ABS module it is pretty likely the GTD has it too. Even my lowly TSI118 has the basic EDL (electronic diff lock) feature by way of the ABS and seems to me they just tweaked it a bit on the GTI called it the XDL and the rest is marketing hype. Some in the know say it may simply be a matter of changing the ABS coding in a non XDL MK6 MK60EC1 unit to implement it. Will have to get around to testing this, but I am not too sure how you would really know if it was working or not.

[GoLfMan]

The GTD is heavier, slower, suffers from DPF problems in traffic and takes more than 15kms to properly warm up. How are going to use the GTD for "normal" driving? The GTD would be ok for longer distance commuting.

Doesn't change the fact that it's slower nor that it's unlikely to save you any money over the GTI when you factor in all the servicing and potential DPF replacement etc.

a GTD will NEVER be a GTI, however, its a different kind of power delivery. A nice slab of torque is just THERE all the time. Having driven both (Mk5's however), you have to work harder for that kind of pick up in the GTI.

The TDI is just "punchier".

My Chipped TDI Polo, while no rocket ship, can certainly hold its own against chipped GTI's in the twisties, when the road opens up thats a different story however!

and sorry boys, your Mk5/Mk6 GTI's don't sound anywhere near as good as my Mk1 does.

I'd have the GTD anyday of the week

[pologti18t]

a GTD will NEVER be a GTI, however, its a different kind of power delivery. A nice slab of torque is just THERE all the time. Having driven both (Mk5's however), you have to work harder for that kind of pick up in the GTI.

Except when you are out of the max Nm range or off boost.

The Fifth gear test seemed to indicated a rather small sweet rev range for the GTD.

[GoLfMan]

Except when you are out of the max Nm range or off boost.

The Fifth gear test seemed to indicated a rather small sweet rev range for the GTD.

believe me when you drive it, you dont really notice it

[Timbo]

Except when you are out of the max Nm range or off boost.

The Fifth gear test seemed to indicated a rather small sweet rev range for the GTD.

That's why, IMO, DSG is a must for the GTD. We test drove a manual GT TDI, and it was a PITA, whereas the DSG version is sweet!

[Zeke]

In five years time the GTD will have a higher resale value than the GTI.

98RON will be in the $1.60's while diesel will be still around the mid $1.30's
May even be tax breaks in the future for running Diesel cars.

Look at the UK system of car/fuel/congestion taxing and see your future. Your future is Diesel unless your first name is Sheik.

[Maverick]

In five years time the GTD will have a higher resale value than the GTI.

That's debatable, even the motoring organisations are questioning diesel at the moment given the issues with the DPF's and the requirement to adhere to servicing/using good quality oil. RACQ I think it was this month was saying they wouldn't buy the modern diesels (and especially not common rail) because of the cost of repair and you don't know if the previous owner looked after it with a good oil and correct maintenance. Plus the life of the DPF is an unknown.

98RON will be in the $1.60's while diesel will be still around the mid $1.30's
May even be tax breaks in the future for running Diesel cars.

The government in Australia will never do anything that makes sense, you'll get rebates and tax cuts to buy hybrid cars despite there being plenty of non hybrid cars that are more fuel efficient. Look at the new Camry hybrid the government is throwing money at when you could put a decent diesel in there and use less fuel with much lower impact on the environment (when you take into account the effort to build this new hybrid, manufacturer the batteries and so forth.

I'm not dismissing the GTD but if you want a fast car with a free revving engine get a GTI, chipping the GTD will bring limited benefits as opposed to chipping the GTI and if you use it around town be wary of the DPF issue.

[Yevvy]

why has this turned into a gti vs gtd debate?

[Corey_R]

Cause these are forums.... what else would people do on a forum if there wasn't anything to discuss ?! :p

[Beaker]

In five years time the GTD will have a higher resale value than the GTI.

98RON will be in the $1.60's while diesel will be still around the mid $1.30's
May even be tax breaks in the future for running Diesel cars.

Look at the UK system of car/fuel/congestion taxing and see your future. Your future is Diesel unless your first name is Sheik.

Hmmm - I drive a Turbo Diesel 4WD and a Turbo Petrol road car. Less then a year ago I was paying $1.80 for Diesel while paying $1.50 for PULP, add to that the increased service costs and even though they use less fuel, the savings are minimal at best.

My personal feeling is that we are still 5-10 years away from where Europe is now, in terms of Petrol/Diesel.

[tinto]

The Fifth gear test seemed to indicated a rather small sweet rev range for the GTD.

Like any truck really... 18 speed DSG lorry.

Would make a nice daily... if for the GTI equipment levels only.
But if I was buying one to be frugal (one of the usual pro-diesel arguments along with torque), I'd jump for a lower spec diesel model.

The model pricing overlap (without crunching the numbers at all) will probably still make diesels an expensive option in this country.

fk it all, if I was being frugal I'd actually get a Polo GTI.
Same looks, awesome engine, and petrol that you can sniff.