Golf 118TSI vs. 103TDI

[hoi polloi]

Hi Guys...

In the coming weeks I'll be placing an order for a new Mk VI Golf (when I summon the courage to front up to a dealer!)... I've pretty much made a decision on the options I want (thanks too by the way for Chylld and his excellent Excel spreadsheet) I've yet to decide between the 118TSI and the 103TDI...

While I understand the final decision rests wdith me and depends on my driving style, km per year etc. etc. I just need some info to help me in my decision - are major and minor service intervals the same for both engines? Does this apply to the big stuff as well such as cam belt replacements?

I was unable to see this in the forum searches I did so my apologies if it has been answered before...

Cheers,
Anthony.

[mtaoz3]

I've just looked at my service Handbook. It says that the toothed camshaft belt must be replaced at 120,000km for both petrol and diesel cars. The only differences are that the belt on the petrol engines must be inspected at 90,000km, and there is a requirement to drain water from the fuel filter on diesels every 15,000km; for which no doubt there will be an extra charge for both. All other service intervals are the same.
For what it's worth, I agonised over the same decision. I found the diesel to be a bit quieter and I love the old school V8 like low down grunt. The 118 is a fantastic engine and does go harder if you work it.
One diesel downside that is mentioned a bit is simply the re-fuelling. Because it doesn't evaporate, there is often a puddle of spilt diesel next to each bowser. Get it on your shoes and it goes into your carpets and stinks for days. You have to be careful, and this can be a deciding factor for many people, particularly women who tend to be a bit more fastidious with their clothing.

[nicandlance]

What? Ive got a diesel bug and have yet 2 encounter this problem. Half the diesel bowsers are incorporated into the regular unleaded bowsers anyway, so if it happens at all it will happen whatever fuel u use.

[David Bird]

I got the 103TDI, I've driven both and I enjoy the extra torque of the diesel.

I also enjoyed the 1,200km I got out of my last tank of fuel, went to the Sunshine Coast twice this week, 380km round trip each time plus a weeks worth of local driving around the place.

The biggest issue is having to wait to get to the limited diesel pumps at service stations, mind you I have noticed that the price of diesel doesn't jump around like petrol, it's been $1.21 over the Christmas period while the price of petrol have move between $1.20 and $1.33.

[roy]

had been thinking about diesel for a while..then ordered tsi118..just thinking my wife won't drive a lot and tsi118's engine is brilliant..so save a couple thousand..
anyway both engines are great and i don't think u'll regret by choosing either one..

[BeigeJet]

Hi Guys...

Does this apply to the big stuff as well such as cam belt replacements?

I was unable to see this in the forum searches I did so my apologies if it has been answered before...

Cheers,
Anthony.

Anthony,

I'm sure I've read on another post and certainly in the press that the new 1.4 petrol and new common 2.0 lt diesel are timing chains that do not require replacement.

I went the TDI three years ago and don't think I'll go back to petrol. By the way the life average consumption after 86,000km is 6.02lt/100 70% city driving measured using actual fuel in the car and not the trip computer that reads optimistic (in mine at least) by a minimum of 0.5 lt/100

The biggest issue is having to wait to get to the limited diesel pumps at service stations, mind you I have noticed that the price of diesel doesn't jump around like petrol, it's been $1.21 over the Christmas period while the price of petrol have move between $1.20 and $1.33.

Come to Melbourne; there's no such wait in the Eastern Suburbs. Possibly due to the lower % of diesel vehicles

I've just looked at my service Handbook. It says that the toothed camshaft belt must be replaced at 120,000km for both petrol and diesel cars. One diesel downside that is mentioned a bit is simply the re-fuelling. Because it doesn't evaporate, there is often a puddle of spilt diesel next to each bowser. .

mtaoz3,

I pull up a bit further away from the pump to avoid this AND wear a rubber glove on the hand holding the nozzle


Happy motoring!

Cheers Neil.

[gregozedobe]

If the TDI model you are looking at has a DPF these can be a bit temperamental if you do a lot of stop-start driving in heavy traffic. The soot builds up in the DPF and they need a decent run (15+ mins at 2,000+rpm) to do a "regeneration" at regular intervals to burn off the accumulated soot. If you don't/can't do this you can ruin the very expensive DPF.

The previous PD 125Kw TDI engine had many owners unhappy with this 'characteristic'.

If you don't have to drive in heavy traffic much then choose the engine that you like to drive the most (and they are very different to drive).

If you do lots of kms the reduced fuel consumption of the TDI can become a factor.

[JasonP]

Hoi Polloi,

Just buy both......

[Stoney!]

I've just looked at my service Handbook. It says that the toothed camshaft belt must be replaced at 120,000km for both petrol and diesel cars. The only differences are that the belt on the petrol engines must be inspected at 90,000km, and there is a requirement to drain water from the fuel filter on diesels every 15,000km; for which no doubt there will be an extra charge for both. All other service intervals are the same.
For what it's worth, I agonised over the same decision. I found the diesel to be a bit quieter and I love the old school V8 like low down grunt. The 118 is a fantastic engine and does go harder if you work it.
One diesel downside that is mentioned a bit is simply the re-fuelling. Because it doesn't evaporate, there is often a puddle of spilt diesel next to each bowser. Get it on your shoes and it goes into your carpets and stinks for days. You have to be careful, and this can be a deciding factor for many people, particularly women who tend to be a bit more fastidious with their clothing.

The 118tsi certainly does go harder, me and my mate both have Mk 6's but his is diesel DSG mine in Manual 118 tsi. The Tsi is also MUCH! quieter, specially at idle.

Stoney!

[tofo17]

TSI, and use the money saved to get Stage 1 APR! Not that I'm biased

[nicandlance]

had been thinking about diesel for a while..then ordered tsi118..just thinking my wife won't drive a lot and tsi118's engine is brilliant..so save a couple thousand..
anyway both engines are great and i don't think u'll regret by choosing either one..

I did a lot of soul searching too! I have a diesel buggy at the moment, and never thought I'd drive a petrol car again, but after test driving the 118, well... let's say it swayed me!
Deal done... two weeks to go!

[Brendan_A]

If most of your driving is in town, go for the TSi or if you do heaps of highway driving you will get your monies worth out of the diesel. That's my theory anyway.

[apom]

Buy what you prefer to drive... its a personal thing. I have driven both and if I go ahead I would get the diesel, especially if you are getting the DSG box. Its a nice piece of kit to drive, especially around town.

As for waiting for diesel pumps, I find its just as bad when you are using 98 all the time. Some servos still only have 95 and some only have 1 or 2 pumps with it.

[roy]

I did a lot of soul searching too! I have a diesel buggy at the moment, and never thought I'd drive a petrol car again, but after test driving the 118, well... let's say it swayed me!
Deal done... two weeks to go!

Congrats.. i have to wait for my dealer's call..

[cktsi]

I think if you want zippy performance in the suburbs, go for the TSI. That was my deciding factor. If you do more country driving or fuel economy is your priority, then the diesel makes sense.

I've noticed 98 is consistently more expensive than diesel. Even if you go with VW's 2010 recommendation of 95, I think you're still ahead at today's prices.

The fuel consumption gap can be big. I'm averaging 7.2 l/100km but I think a diesel can do in the low 6's.

I do verify the trip computer calcs at most refills and the trip computer is reasonably accurate on my car.

The only other thing that turned me off diesel is the thought of all the additional gasses in the exhaust - but I guess it isn't an issue for TDI owners and it's just a personal issue of mine.