Resale value - DSG or Manual??

[Dubya]

Thanks for the replies, im just still undecided which way to go... I have already ordered like $7K worth of extras, just not sure if I wanna throw in another $2k for DSG - might see if VW pass on the 5% reduction...

Thanks Maverick for clearing up those worries i had about the DSG problems - just got some decisions to make now..

I suppose I could look at scrapping the Chassis Control which was $1,500 and replace this with the DSG option - would be good if I could negotiate a straight swap for this...

Have you guys been ordering the ACC option??

If in doubt . . . and seeing DSG is an extra $2,500 it'd be a no-brainer for me (not that I'd want DSG anyway). I think manuals will have a relatively higher retained value so long as you can wait it out when you sell as there'll be fewer around.

[Maverick]

Thanks for the replies, im just still undecided which way to go... I have already ordered like $7K worth of extras, just not sure if I wanna throw in another $2k for DSG - might see if VW pass on the 5% reduction...

The actual retail drop if the 5% is passed on is around 2.2%.

But it doesn't matter as VW have already passed on the drop and priced the GTI at the same price as the outgoing one so there are no further discounts on offer.

Thanks Maverick for clearing up those worries i had about the DSG problems - just got some decisions to make now..

The DSG isn't perfect but it's damn good and you have a warranty (up to six years if you option up the warranty) to take care of any problems.

Depending on when the order goes through it would be worth stipulating you want a build from January onwards (not that you'd have a chance of having it built this month) as that will make a difference at resale time.

I suppose I could look at scrapping the Chassis Control which was $1,500 and replace this with the DSG option - would be good if I could negotiate a straight swap for this...

Have you guys been ordering the ACC option??

I'd be tempted to get that, it's not that much more and reviewers seem to think it's alright.

[PA.]

The Ferrari 458 will only be available as a Paddle Shift box, no manuals so buyers will be looking more and more for flappy paddles but buy what you want to drive. Me, I have gone for the DSG. Ferrari have less than 5% sales for manual boxes in the California and less than 3% in the Scagletti if my memory serves me well.

[Mk6 GTI]

Thanks for the replies, im just still undecided which way to go... I have already ordered like $7K worth of extras, just not sure if I wanna throw in another $2k for DSG - might see if VW pass on the 5% reduction...

Thanks Maverick for clearing up those worries i had about the DSG problems - just got some decisions to make now..

I suppose I could look at scrapping the Chassis Control which was $1,500 and replace this with the DSG option - would be good if I could negotiate a straight swap for this...

Have you guys been ordering the ACC option??

I Have ordered my GTI with ACC..Its one of the main features that differentiates this car from the mk5. It has been given very positive feedback. Just get the DSG and the ACC! hehe

[Big Yellow]

The Ferrari 458 will only be available as a Paddle Shift box, no manuals so buyers will be looking more and more for flappy paddles but buy what you want to drive. Me, I have gone for the DSG. Ferrari have less than 5% sales for manual boxes in the California and less than 3% in the Scagletti if my memory serves me well.

the 458 doesnt have traditional indicator/wiper stalks either, and soon these will be offered as an option HAHAHA.

buy what you feel comfortable with and prefer, not what the resale might be. its like people who buy performance cars and then worry about fuel consumption.

[MurphyTheElf]

Driving my DSG GTI today, there were a couple of times I wished for a manual box. I'm yet to research it, but the DSG didn't behave as I'd expected. Firstly, when in manual shift mode, the DSG is excellent for holding gears during spirited acceleration and allowing high-rev downshifts. That is not a problem at all. The problem I encountered is when planting the accelerator when in a higher gear than optimal for maximum acceleration. For example, I was taking a sweeping bend at about 70kmh in 3rd gear - I planted the foot mid-corner thinking it would just feed the power smoothly. Instead, the box downshifted me to second with a jolt, pushed me to 6500rpm and forced me to shift up almost immediately - into the gear I'd previously selected. I tested this again in a straight line on the freeway - in 6th at 100kph, mashed the pedal to the floor in manual shift mode and the box dropped me down to 3rd to maximise acceleration. This is not what I expect. Do it in auto or sports mode, fine, but not when I select manual shift. If I feed the power more gently, it won't drop down, but it shouldn't matter. There is no reason for it to do this - it's not protecting the gearbox or my safety so it should leave the gear as is.

Anyone know if an ECU flash changes this behaviour?

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[jayjay]

I'm glad you cleared up the post about not slamming the OP mav.

ACC is some sort of electronic dampening system isn't it? For the kind of money, if you plan on getting the chip tuned, i would personally also consider aftermarket suspension. A middle range adjustable coilover set up would be of similar pricing, have the same sort of adjustability, albeit manual, but IMHO, be much more tune-able.

I'm wondering if VW made any major revisions to the mk6 wet-clutch dsg from the mk5...

our mk6 has the 7speed dry clutch and smooth driving would seem to just take time to finesse.

[tinto]

Anyone know if an ECU flash changes this behaviour?

a dsg tune might, but not an engine tune.
A dsg tune removes the kick down and (I believe) the auto shift at redline.

Sounds to me like you are hitting the kick down switch at the bottom of the accellerator travel, and although it is 'not an auto' those characterisics of an auto still apply.

in the situations you described (manual mode) I'd have geared down with he paddles and not pushed it all the way to the floor, where it will behave like a normal auto box.

[Maverick]

Driving my DSG GTI today, there were a couple of times I wished for a manual box. I'm yet to research it, but the DSG didn't behave as I'd expected. Firstly, when in manual shift mode, the DSG is excellent for holding gears during spirited acceleration and allowing high-rev downshifts. That is not a problem at all. The problem I encountered is when planting the accelerator when in a higher gear than optimal for maximum acceleration. For example, I was taking a sweeping bend at about 70kmh in 3rd gear - I planted the foot mid-corner thinking it would just feed the power smoothly. Instead, the box downshifted me to second with a jolt, pushed me to 6500rpm and forced me to shift up almost immediately - into the gear I'd previously selected. I tested this again in a straight line on the freeway - in 6th at 100kph, mashed the pedal to the floor in manual shift mode and the box dropped me down to 3rd to maximise acceleration. This is not what I expect. Do it in auto or sports mode, fine, but not when I select manual shift. If I feed the power more gently, it won't drop down, but it shouldn't matter. There is no reason for it to do this - it's not protecting the gearbox or my safety so it should leave the gear as is.

Anyone know if an ECU flash changes this behaviour?

ECU flash has nothing to do with the DSG and I'd steer clear of reflashing the DSG (many reasons).

What Tinto said is correct, you're pressing down on the kickdown switch, you can still get maximum acceleration without pushing it to the floor. I think the manual has a diagram explaining this in more detail.

You can also use the paddles to hold gears.

[dave_r]

I Have ordered my GTI with ACC..Its one of the main features that differentiates this car from the mk5. It has been given very positive feedback. Just get the DSG and the ACC! hehe

I was driving a new TDI with the ACC option the other day and really couldn't find a difference between any of the settings. Might have been a bit hard though as the diesel torque steers like hell under any kind of spirited driving. I'd def go DSG over ACC but again its all personal pref.

[pologti18t]

ACC didn't get an overall glowing review in MOtors PCOTY testing. The issue they had was it altered the suspension, steering feel and throttle sensitivity all at once. The throttle in sports mode became too sensitive.

[G-rig]

ACC Seems like a bit of a gimmic to me, much like 4ws on the preludes. Another thing to go wrong when the car is out of warranty. Without driving one, it's hard to say if it would be better or as sporty as aftermarket suspension.

[Corey_R]

What Tinto said is correct, you're pressing down on the kickdown switch, you can still get maximum acceleration without pushing it to the floor. I think the manual has a diagram explaining this in more detail.

You can also use the paddles to hold gears.

I don't recall a diagram in the manual (which I did read from cover to cover) but that was a year ago and I don't have the manual anymore to check.
Can you explain how you use the paddles to hold gears if you're in manual mode ?

[lawsy82]

I have heard mixed reviews regarding the optional chassis control - some say its not worth it, some say its a great feature - So not sure whether its worth $1,500..

I need tint, and blue tooth so I might scrap the ACC and negotiate a tint, bluetooth and DSG arrangement....... im kinda over manual cars

[G-rig]

I have heard mixed reviews regarding the optional chassis control - some say its not worth it, some say its a great feature - So not sure whether its worth $1,500..

I need tint, and blue tooth so I might scrap the ACC and negotiate a tint, bluetooth and DSG arrangement....... im kinda over manual cars

I agree, there probably aren't enough reviews around yet to say whether the ACC is worth it or not, but nothing really wrong with the current GTI's that don't have it. Better putting that toward the other options you want IMO.

You could always get a manual car next time when you're over auto's .