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  • 90TSI v 77TDI

    Hi all,

    I'm in the market for a new small hatch and so far the Golf is winning. Test drove a 90TSI and loved it - couldn't believe the quality over other brands I'd tried on the same day. Unfortunately I'm not in the market for a GTI like most recent posters in this forum There was a gorgeous red one sat in the dealership though.....

    The engine in the 90TSI was sweet (though I notice most people here seem to discuss the 118TSI). Hopefully there are some other value buyers out there just like me And I loved the manual gearbox - v smooth.

    Anyway, at the moment I'm thinking that 90TSI + Comfort Package + MDI is the way to go. But should I consider the 77TDI? This would retail at about the same price as the above but without any extras - not sure it makes sense as the fuel economy is pretty close. I'm mostly city driving in & out of Perth.

    Thoughts?

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    I found the 77TDI a tad underpowered, so I went with the 103TDI.

    I would take the 90TSI in the specs you suggest over the 77TDI wthout options.
    The Comfort Pack would be worth the extras IMO.

    That said, if you could stretch to the 118TSI manual, the overall equipment level is better again, & you'd get the pick of the bunch engine-wise (excluding the GTI).

    I ended up with both a 118TSI, & a 103TDI.

    I love them both for differnt reasons.
    MY09 Silver Leaf 118TSI DSG, & MY09 Candy White 103TDI DSG

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    • #3
      Too be honest forget about both the 90TSI and the 77TDI .... I recently helped my boss pick a runaround ... he was set on the 90TSI DSG + Comfortpack ...

      After driving it he was happy .... the big thing though was a 118TSI DSG (with comfort pack standard) was only $2K more driveaway .... so he went for that instead.

      for only $2K I'd recommend you go for the 118. Financing that extra $2K will cost you less than $30 a month extra ..... well worth it IMO.
      Current: 2023 MY23 T-Roc R Lapiz Blue + Beats Audio + Black pack 2018 MY19 Golf R manual Lapiz Blue + DAP) 2018 MY18 Golf 110TSI (150TSI) Trendline manual White2014 Amarok TSI Red (tuned over 200kw + lots of extras) 2013 Up! manual Red 2017 Polo GTI manual Black Previous VWs and some others ...
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      • #4
        Wecome to the forum DGR. Notice you have been lurking in the Mazda forum. Isn't it interesting that Mazda owners are Golf wannabes, despite VW's reputation of unreliabilty.

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        • #5
          JasonP, do you have pics of your silver leaf? Im just interested in seeing what it looks like.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sharkie View Post
            Too be honest forget about both the 90TSI and the 77TDI .... I recently helped my boss pick a runaround ... he was set on the 90TSI DSG + Comfortpack ...

            After driving it he was happy .... the big thing though was a 118TSI DSG (with comfort pack standard) was only $2K more driveaway .... so he went for that instead.

            for only $2K I'd recommend you go for the 118. Financing that extra $2K will cost you less than $30 a month extra ..... well worth it IMO.
            You're not wrong although I'm trying not to get upsold to a car I don't really need. I've not driven the 118TSI and perhaps I shouldn't.... might get interested and then end up with a GTI! Good point on the finance front. That's less than Foxtel! When I go back to the dealership with the wife on Saturday I'll sit in one and think it over.

            Originally posted by soogs View Post
            Wecome to the forum DGR. Notice you have been lurking in the Mazda forum. Isn't it interesting that Mazda owners are Golf wannabes, despite VW's reputation of unreliabilty.
            Good spot

            I've tested the Mazda 3, Honda Civic, Mitsubishi Lancer, Subaru Impreza, Ford Focus and of course VW Golf, but am only lurking in the two forums because the Mazda 3 and Golf are clear favourites.

            My last car in the UK was an MX-5, but I've never had a VW before. I wonder if I am a wannabe? I didn't mention the Mazda 3 earlier because I didn't want to generate any 'smiley face' comments......

            VW does look great in white though which saves me a bit of cash.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DGR View Post
              I've tested the Mazda 3, Honda Civic, Mitsubishi Lancer, Subaru Impreza, Ford Focus and of course VW Golf, but am only lurking in the two forums because the Mazda 3 and Golf are clear favourites.

              My last car in the UK was an MX-5, but I've never had a VW before. I wonder if I am a wannabe? I didn't mention the Mazda 3 earlier because I didn't want to generate any 'smiley face' comments......

              VW does look great in white though which saves me a bit of cash.
              Funny I'm a Golf wannabe myself. Am driving a 06 Mazda3 at present which I'm quite happy with, except for high reving motor. Corners without any roll at all. From memory the standard 118 has a slight roll. Am waiting till next year before getting one after VW has sorted out the waterpump squeal problem.

              U'r right about smiley face tho. Instead of making cars, Mazda's making cartoons.
              Last edited by soogs; 17-11-2009, 12:13 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by soogs View Post
                Funny I'm a Golf wannabe myself. Am driving a 06 Mazda3 at present which I'm quite happy with
                Yeah, great car the 3. Couldn't believe how many there were on the roads when I arrived here 18 months ago.

                Interesting that you're also considering the 118TSI. Where are all the 90TSI owners I wonder? It must be the minimal price difference that makes everyone go for the larger engine, despite the current issue.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DGR View Post
                  You're not wrong although I'm trying not to get upsold to a car I don't really need. I've not driven the 118TSI and perhaps I shouldn't.... might get interested and then end up with a GTI! Good point on the finance front. That's less than Foxtel! When I go back to the dealership with the wife on Saturday I'll sit in one and think it over.



                  Good spot

                  I've tested the Mazda 3, Honda Civic, Mitsubishi Lancer, Subaru Impreza, Ford Focus and of course VW Golf, but am only lurking in the two forums because the Mazda 3 and Golf are clear favourites.

                  My last car in the UK was an MX-5, but I've never had a VW before. I wonder if I am a wannabe? I didn't mention the Mazda 3 earlier because I didn't want to generate any 'smiley face' comments......

                  VW does look great in white though which saves me a bit of cash.
                  We narrowed down to the 3 SP25 or Golf. The Golf just seemed a cut above. We went for the 118TSI as some options my wife wanted were only available on it. Satnav was a must, and the one in the Mazda was too small. The VW dealer also gave us $5k more on the trade in. If we didn't go option crazy, the changeover would have been similar.
                  2009 118 TSI
                  1980 Bedford van
                  2015 Hyundai i30 SR

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                  • #10
                    With respect to the chirruping noise, I've copied and pasted this extract from Car Advice.com.au BlogSpot

                    Lates info from the German Motor-Talk forum:

                    ‘VW has apparently answered a VW dealer in Germany and has advised, that from December 2009, the new water-pump will be delivered to dealers for installation in those Golfs which are affected by the squeaking sound. Hopefully, relieve for affected Australian owners will be on it’s way not too long after that.’
                    MY10 Golf MkVI 103TDI United Grey

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DGR View Post
                      Anyway, at the moment I'm thinking that 90TSI + Comfort Package + MDI is the way to go. But should I consider the 77TDI? This would retail at about the same price as the above but without any extras - not sure it makes sense as the fuel economy is pretty close. I'm mostly city driving in & out of Perth.
                      Real world fuel economy (as opposed to the "official" figures) depends a lot on individual driving style. If you are very gentle on the accelerator then both engines will get "closeish" to the official figures, but if you drive with a heavy foot a fair proportion of the time the petrol engine will use considerably more than the TDI.

                      That's why people who love diesels say that you can "have your cake" (accelerate hard a lot of the time) AND "eat it too" (get good fuel economy).

                      If you drive in heavy, stop start traffic a lot I would lean towards the petrol, as the DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) on some VAG TDIs doesn't really like such driving conditions (problems with frequent regenerations).

                      My usual suggestion is to drive both vehicles and choose which one YOU prefer (but beware the salesman/woman proferring keys to a 118TSI or even worse, a Golf GTI !!!! ).
                      2017 MY18 Golf R 7.5 Wolfsburg wagon (boring white) delivered 21 Sep 2017, 2008 Octavia vRS wagon 2.0 TFSI 6M (bright yellow), 2006 T5 Transporter van 2.5 TDI 6M (gone but not forgotten).

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                      • #12
                        Buy the 90Tsi

                        Hey DGR
                        I have a 90tsi and love it.
                        It's not underpowered at all and can easily sit on 160+kmh with low revs.
                        The comfort pack is worth the extra so don't skimp on that.

                        I'm not too sure why most people on here have 118tsi's maybe they all have massive %0c#5 but not quite big enough for a gti or r32?

                        Cheers
                        McLovin
                        2009 Transporter T5 2.5 128kw LWB Manual (Black)
                        2009 Golf 90TSI Manual (White)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by gregozedobe View Post
                          My usual suggestion is to drive both vehicles and choose which one YOU prefer (but beware the salesman/woman proferring keys to a 118TSI or even worse, a Golf GTI !!!! ).
                          My salesman was good at not upselling to the 118TSI, but we were straight into Comfort Pack territory! Fair enough though. And they only had 1 GTI left, so we had a good laugh about what discount I could (not) get

                          Originally posted by Mclovin View Post
                          Hey DGR
                          I have a 90tsi and love it.
                          It's not underpowered at all and can easily sit on 160+kmh with low revs.
                          The comfort pack is worth the extra so don't skimp on that.

                          I'm not too sure why most people on here have 118tsi's maybe they all have massive %0c#5 but not quite big enough for a gti or r32?

                          Cheers
                          McLovin
                          Hoorah - a 90TSI owner....! And it's white too. Good to hear performance is up to scratch, not that I ever doubted it following my runaround. I agree the Comfort Pack is great value, particularly the climate control - traditionally I'm too warm and the wife is too cold...... only other bit I'd get would be the MDI so I can leave the CDs at home.

                          Out of interest, with the coming/going home lights, do they just light your way when you unlock, and stay illuminated a little while after you leave the car? My sister had a Mini that did similar.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DGR View Post
                            Out of interest, with the coming/going home lights, do they just light your way when you unlock, and stay illuminated a little while after you leave the car? My sister had a Mini that did similar.
                            Both or either. It's configurable in the multi function display. You can choose how long they stay on as well.
                            2009 118 TSI
                            1980 Bedford van
                            2015 Hyundai i30 SR

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                            • #15
                              The waterpump squeal problem is the only thing put me off...hope it can be solved soon...

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