Engine oil and another Q

[Maverick]

(1) Thank you for finally admitting to that fact. You originally said they were 'interchangeable'.

(2) I was told someone from Highway posts regularly on this forum.

How many times do you need to be told.

ALL oils that meet the 504.00 standard ALSO meet the 507.00 standard and VW even refer to them now as the 504.00/507.00 standard.

I REPEAT, ALL OILS APPROVED BY VW FOR EITHER THE 504.00 or 507.00 STANDARD ALSO MEET THE OTHER STANDARD. It is not likely that this will change so all oils in the future will also meet both standards.

The list of approved oils has been posted clearly showing this. How about you provide some facts instead of posting incorrect information and non existent standards like you have so far?

I don't work for Highway and have no association with other then as a customer, if you can't face that fact that the information they gave out was correct and that you were wrong then too bad.

[Rileyowner]

(1) And 504.00 does not cover 507.00


(2) So once again the information given by Highway was correct and the information given by you was incorrect.

(1) Thank you for finally admitting to that fact. You originally said they were 'interchangeable'.

(2) I was told someone from Highway posts regularly on this forum.

[harlie]

Thanks to all (sorry for igniting that unresolved bingle.....) - I understand that non DPF can run 506 but all VW Unit injector diesels will like 507. I'm going to take Guy up on his offer to check the ECU.

Not that I'm an expert, but I'd suspect a piggyback chip or other tune would simply up the diesel injected +/- more boost, which is possibly why you both feel like it's a bit fast, and it's producing smoke ( over injection ). I'd suggest a GTI kitted comfortline would be likely to have been chipped in some manner. Someone with a Vag com diagnostic cable and software ( such as me ) could check your ECU counter to look for a reflash, otherwise someone with a piggyback will chip in soon to let you know where they physically go, I've no idea.

Thanks - I agree with the "kit on a comfortline" thought. As for smoke I'm getting it at low revs, on lift off with little throttle movement. I have a good understanding of diesel retuning and an ECU remap (done properly) should not do this - a poor one might but I would think that some one who took as much pride in his vehicle as the previous owner did would have taken it back. piggy back units however are not tuned to the original map on that specific car so anything is possible.
The diesel friend of mine gave me a tech reason on why the incorrect oil can cause smoke so I have to get that sorted (I know - slack!)

[Maverick]

Seems Mav is right in that the 504/507 spec is interchangable for gas/diesel respectively, but you are right in that diesel oil is specific for good reason!

Hey we're all right....group hug?

Just to clarify that there is no 504/507 standard.

There is a 504.00 for petrol and a 507.00 for diesel.

But every oil that has been developed has been able to meet both standards hence why VW refer to the standard as 504.00/507.00.

[Maverick]

No, you did not actually point out anything.

It is very irresponsible to imply that ALL oils that meet 504 (petrol) spec meet 507 (diesel) standards.

I didn't say that, I said that currently all oils that meet the 504.00 standard also meet the 507.00 standard and vise versa.

I also provided a list of the oils to prove this.

The 505/506/507 diesel specs include special additives that, for example, are included to stop premature camshaft wear in PD diesel engines.

Why does VW bother to specify 507 diesel standards if 504 covers it all?

Because the oil manufacturers have been able to cover the requirements of both standard with one oil. The two standards have some different requirements but most of them are common.

And 504.00 does not cover 507.00, as I said all of the oils that meet the 504.00 standard cover 507.00 and vise versa and there are no oils out there that only meet one of the two standards.

I've owned diesels for 20 years and I' never yet used a 'gasser' oil.

You need to move with technology, the fact is that VW has two standards now for nearly every car (with the exception of very few specific engines). One is the 504 for petrol and one is the 507 for diesel. The fact is also that every oil available for the new standards meets both standards (504 and 507).

In regard to your list of 'approved' oils I've only got two words to say - 'North America'.

It's basically the same list for all the other countries. All the oils available that are approved work with both 504.00 and 507.00. VW even list it on their approved list as 504.00/507.00.

So once again the information given by Highway was correct and the information given by you was incorrect.

[Greg Roles]

I had a look on the back of my 507 oil Riely, please see the bold ammendment!

Seems Mav is right in that the 504/507 spec is interchangable for gas/diesel respectively, but you are right in that diesel oil is specific for good reason!

Hey we're all right....group hug?

[Rileyowner]

Boys, boys boys!

I'm sure they all cost about the same, so is the arguement really necessary?

I believe the 'argument' is very necessary while some people cling to the belief that 'oils is oils' and they clearly are not when it comes to diesel/petrol engines.

[Greg Roles]

Boys, boys boys!

507 is the only option for the GT's with DPF as it has the low ash content to stop blockage of the DPF. Non DPF TDI's can use the other diesel grade oils, but MUST do so becasue of the PD mechanism's HUGE requirement for specific oil sheer. The injector mech is the main reason the gasser oils aren't suitable. Probably do fine for a while, but not a risk I'd be willing to take. Common rail in the future will alter this, but the oil will still need to be low ash.

My dealer and manual recommended 507 for my car. I'm afraid it says on the back 507.00/504.00. So you are both right I'm afraid!

I'm sure they all cost about the same, so is the arguement really necessary?

[Rileyowner]

504.00 and 507.00 are standards for petrol and diesel respectively as I pointed out but all of the oils that meet the 504.00 standard also meet the 507.00 standard and vise versa.

No, you did not actually point out anything.

It is very irresponsible to imply that ALL oils that meet 504 (petrol) spec meet 507 (diesel) standards.

The 505/506/507 diesel specs include special additives that, for example, are included to stop premature camshaft wear in PD diesel engines.

Why does VW bother to specify 507 diesel standards if 504 covers it all?

I've owned diesels for 20 years and I' never yet used a 'gasser' oil.

In regard to your list of 'approved' oils I've only got two words to say - 'North America'.

[nayfen]

Play nice
I have a 2.0tdi as well. thankyou for explaining which oil to use as i am thinking of taking it elsewhere once it finishes its waranty period in a couple of months.

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[Maverick]

Righto, let's clear this up right now before someone stuffs up their car.

These specs are NOT INTERCHANGEABLE - 504 is for longlife petrol/507 is for longlife diesel.

The original enquirer to whom I was responding has a 2.0 TDI - hence my discussion re 505/506/507.

The use of 504 spec oil in any 2.0 TDI (or even 1.9 TDI) would VOID THE WARRANTY and probably lead to ENGINE FAILURE.

Highway is wrong - again! Bloody idiots.

Sorry for the caps - but jeez.

Why don't you take a chill pill and read the pdf that I posted the link to.

Even reading what I said would assist you.

504.00 and 507.00 are standards for petrol and diesel respectively as I pointed out but all of the oils that meet the 504.00 standard also meet the 507.00 standard and vise versa.

So take a look at the PDF and accept that Highway were correct and you were wrong (just like you were wrong with those made up standards you posted)

[Rileyowner]

Highway is a hell of a lot better then Austral in every respect. And Highway are correct as well.

504.00 and 507.00 are interchangeable, all of the oils that are listed for 504.00 are listed as 507.00 and vise versa.
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Righto, let's clear this up right now before someone stuffs up their car.

These specs are NOT INTERCHANGEABLE - 504 is for longlife petrol/507 is for longlife diesel.

The original enquirer to whom I was responding has a 2.0 TDI - hence my discussion re 505/506/507.

The use of 504 spec oil in any 2.0 TDI (or even 1.9 TDI) would VOID THE WARRANTY and probably lead to ENGINE FAILURE.

Highway is wrong - again! Bloody idiots.

Sorry for the caps - but jeez.

[Guy_H]

Not that I'm complaining about this one - It seems to go heaps better than the new ones we test drove so another Q.. How could I tell if it has a Piggy back (exactly where would it be) or if the ECU has been flashed?
Might get diesel man on this one.

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Harlie, If its an Oettinger flash, there will be no diagfnostic signs of a chip - the falash counter will still be zero or one (same as VW left it) - you are welcome to drop intop our East Brisbane woirkshop & we can have a quick look at it for you. A piggyback chip is really easy to spot.

[Greg Roles]

Not that I'm an expert, but I'd suspect a piggyback chip or other tune would simply up the diesel injected +/- more boost, which is possibly why you both feel like it's a bit fast, and it's producing smoke ( over injection ). I'd suggest a GTI kitted comfortline would be likely to have been chipped in some manner. Someone with a Vag com diagnostic cable and software ( such as me ) could check your ECU counter to look for a reflash, otherwise someone with a piggyback will chip in soon to let you know where they physically go, I've no idea.

You don't have the initial purchasers details in your log book? I'd try and find out and give them a call!

$73.86 is what I have paid for 5 L Castrol Edge "507 TDI" oil from VW Maroochydore, where I bought the vehicle, and I have found to be exceptional. Oil filter was $17.04, which is a bargain for such a nice unit. You'll need a 32mm socket to get the oil cap off, which you should be able to see from the top of the engine.

[Maverick]

Highway just have no idea - about sales, service or anything

507.1 is the recommended oil for 'long life service'. However, Boettcher used 505.1 in my TDI Jetta for its initial 7,500 km service. But my 15,000 will be 507.1.

507.1 has been developed for TDi engines with diesel particulate filters.

Highway is a hell of a lot better then Austral in every respect. And Highway are correct as well.

But back onto topic, there is no 507.1.

504.00 and 507.00 are interchangeable, all of the oils that are listed for 504.00 are listed as 507.00 and vise versa. I have an updated list if anyone wants it but this list shows the 504.00 and 507.00 oils.

oil link

VW 500.00 - VW spec for multigrade engine oils for petrol engines with SAE 5W-X/10W-X viscosity.

VW 500.00 + 505.00 - Oil meets both VW 500.00 and 505.00 spec.

VW 501.01 - VW spec for petrol engines.

VW 501.14 - Brake fluid with low viscosity, VW 2006>.

VW 502.00 - VW spec, oil for petrol engines. Successor of VW 501.01 & 500.00 spec.

VW 503.00 - Long-life petrol engine oil for VW cars with WIV. Meets ACEA A1, SAE 0W-30 or 5W-30.

VW 503.01 - Special engine oil for some VW petrol engines. SAE 5W-30.

VW 504.00 - Long-life petrol engines with WIV.

VW 505.00 - Passanger car diesel engine oil, minimum performance level CCMC PD-2. Lists viscosities:- SAE 5W-50, 10W-50/60, 15W-40/50, 20W-40/50 requiring 13% max evaporation loss and SAE 5W-30/40, 10W-30/40 requiring 15% max evaporation loss.

VW 505.01 - Special engine oil for VW turbodiesel with pump-injector-unit and for the V8 commonrail turbodiesel engines. Meets ACEA B4 SAE 5W-40 spec.

VW 506.00 - Special long-life engine oil for turbodiesel engines with WIV, viscosity is SAE 0W-30.

VW 506.01 - Special long-life oil for turbodiesel engines with pump-injector-unit with WIV.

VW 507.00 - Long-life diesel engine oil with WIV.

WIV is extended drain periods.