Engine oil and another Q

[harlie]

Hi

As this post may show I’m new to VWing… Purchased a (2005) Golf Comfortline last weekend (2.0TDi + DSG + Leather + sunroof + GTi body kit, suspension, wheels with 48Ks). Briliant car but I can’t even get a drive now .

Anyway I have some oil questions, so first I’ll give the details thus far.
- Car was perfect on test drive & inspection.
- Since picking it up it was initially very smoky (black/grey unburnt fuel smoke). I suspected that the fuel that they provided was substandard so I’ve run that out (aprox 150km) and filled it with BP from the outlet that I use for my other vehicle (also HP unit injection), using BP it has improved noticeably but there is still some smoke.
- Yesterday (Sat) I spoke with a good friend who is a diesel injection specialist (handy hey) and the first thing he says is….. “What oil is in the engine? If it’s not the proper VW stuff it will smoke.” He’s one of the gurus at the Bosch/Denso & what ever else Injection centre. He also recomends a new air filter.
- The car was purchased from a non VW dealer, they did the service (think it was just the oil change) prior to pick up. The oil now doesn’t smell like the synthetic in our other car nor does it smell the same as it did during inspection – yes I’m really anal. So let’s tick the box that says “I’ve got the wrong oil” and let’s not drive that car.

After coming to that conclusion I made some calls to find some good oil. In Brisbane we have 2 VW parts centres open on Saturday. (for 5L) The first Quoted $98 for 504-01 and says “that’s the stuff you need” – the second quoted $72 for 507-01 and says “that's the stuff you need” WTF! (Seems some dealers are checking the floor for clues)

What is the correct oil that I need?
VW Golf TDI 2.0 Urgent Oil Topup - mentions a Castrol product. Where can I buy it from?

Not that I'm complaining about this one - It seems to go heaps better than the new ones we test drove so another Q.. How could I tell if it has a Piggy back (exactly where would it be) or if the ECU has been flashed?
Might get diesel man on this one.

Thanks in advance for answering all the really stupid questions that I WILL ask in the future – if your forum group is anything like the owners forum of our other car I will have an enjoyable stay here.

h

[PhilMart]

To comfirm mine I rang the VW Info line which should be on a sticker in your front windscreen.. its a 1800 number. They helped a bit (see more below), but I went to Super Cheap Autos (no I don't work there) and attached to the shelves are books with all model cars and types where it will advise you the right oil for your car (one for each brand of oil).

BTW when I rang VW Info they stated for my GTI that it needed to be fully synthetic preferably 5W30 and that they recommend Castrol

So I did end up getting Castrol Edge 5W30 as my top up fuel which was what the book at the auto shop recommended.

[Rileyowner]

Go with the 507. I'm pretty sure the 2.0 TDI needs 505.1 upwards.

504 is just plain bad advice. Austral or Highway?

[harlie]

Go with the 507. I'm pretty sure the 2.0 TDI needs 505.1 upwards.

504 is just plain bad advice. Austral or Highway?

Thanks - 504 was advised by Highway. Ian Botcher (Ipswich) advised 505 as the "cheap stuff" and 507 as "the stuff". Austral in their usual high customer service standard is not open on Saturday - They have the only bne agency for my other car so I'm already familar with the disgusting level of service they will be dishing up....

Any one know if we can get the "VW recomended" Castrol product from any where in Brisbane other than the dealers? Repco's application list shows the product but they can't get it.

h

[Rileyowner]

Thanks - 504 was advised by Highway. Ian Botcher (Ipswich) advised 505 as the "cheap stuff" and 507 as "the stuff".
h

Highway just have no idea - about sales, service or anything

507.1 is the recommended oil for 'long life service'. However, Boettcher used 505.1 in my TDI Jetta for its initial 7,500 km service. But my 15,000 will be 507.1.

Without being too confusing, the specified oil for your car is probably 506.1.


507.1 has been developed for TDi engines with diesel particulate filters.

[Maverick]

Highway just have no idea - about sales, service or anything

507.1 is the recommended oil for 'long life service'. However, Boettcher used 505.1 in my TDI Jetta for its initial 7,500 km service. But my 15,000 will be 507.1.

507.1 has been developed for TDi engines with diesel particulate filters.

Highway is a hell of a lot better then Austral in every respect. And Highway are correct as well.

But back onto topic, there is no 507.1.

504.00 and 507.00 are interchangeable, all of the oils that are listed for 504.00 are listed as 507.00 and vise versa. I have an updated list if anyone wants it but this list shows the 504.00 and 507.00 oils.

oil link

VW 500.00 - VW spec for multigrade engine oils for petrol engines with SAE 5W-X/10W-X viscosity.

VW 500.00 + 505.00 - Oil meets both VW 500.00 and 505.00 spec.

VW 501.01 - VW spec for petrol engines.

VW 501.14 - Brake fluid with low viscosity, VW 2006>.

VW 502.00 - VW spec, oil for petrol engines. Successor of VW 501.01 & 500.00 spec.

VW 503.00 - Long-life petrol engine oil for VW cars with WIV. Meets ACEA A1, SAE 0W-30 or 5W-30.

VW 503.01 - Special engine oil for some VW petrol engines. SAE 5W-30.

VW 504.00 - Long-life petrol engines with WIV.

VW 505.00 - Passanger car diesel engine oil, minimum performance level CCMC PD-2. Lists viscosities:- SAE 5W-50, 10W-50/60, 15W-40/50, 20W-40/50 requiring 13% max evaporation loss and SAE 5W-30/40, 10W-30/40 requiring 15% max evaporation loss.

VW 505.01 - Special engine oil for VW turbodiesel with pump-injector-unit and for the V8 commonrail turbodiesel engines. Meets ACEA B4 SAE 5W-40 spec.

VW 506.00 - Special long-life engine oil for turbodiesel engines with WIV, viscosity is SAE 0W-30.

VW 506.01 - Special long-life oil for turbodiesel engines with pump-injector-unit with WIV.

VW 507.00 - Long-life diesel engine oil with WIV.

WIV is extended drain periods.

[Greg Roles]

Not that I'm an expert, but I'd suspect a piggyback chip or other tune would simply up the diesel injected +/- more boost, which is possibly why you both feel like it's a bit fast, and it's producing smoke ( over injection ). I'd suggest a GTI kitted comfortline would be likely to have been chipped in some manner. Someone with a Vag com diagnostic cable and software ( such as me ) could check your ECU counter to look for a reflash, otherwise someone with a piggyback will chip in soon to let you know where they physically go, I've no idea.

You don't have the initial purchasers details in your log book? I'd try and find out and give them a call!

$73.86 is what I have paid for 5 L Castrol Edge "507 TDI" oil from VW Maroochydore, where I bought the vehicle, and I have found to be exceptional. Oil filter was $17.04, which is a bargain for such a nice unit. You'll need a 32mm socket to get the oil cap off, which you should be able to see from the top of the engine.

[Guy_H]

Not that I'm complaining about this one - It seems to go heaps better than the new ones we test drove so another Q.. How could I tell if it has a Piggy back (exactly where would it be) or if the ECU has been flashed?
Might get diesel man on this one.

h

Harlie, If its an Oettinger flash, there will be no diagfnostic signs of a chip - the falash counter will still be zero or one (same as VW left it) - you are welcome to drop intop our East Brisbane woirkshop & we can have a quick look at it for you. A piggyback chip is really easy to spot.

[Rileyowner]

Highway is a hell of a lot better then Austral in every respect. And Highway are correct as well.

504.00 and 507.00 are interchangeable, all of the oils that are listed for 504.00 are listed as 507.00 and vise versa.
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Righto, let's clear this up right now before someone stuffs up their car.

These specs are NOT INTERCHANGEABLE - 504 is for longlife petrol/507 is for longlife diesel.

The original enquirer to whom I was responding has a 2.0 TDI - hence my discussion re 505/506/507.

The use of 504 spec oil in any 2.0 TDI (or even 1.9 TDI) would VOID THE WARRANTY and probably lead to ENGINE FAILURE.

Highway is wrong - again! Bloody idiots.

Sorry for the caps - but jeez.

[Maverick]

Righto, let's clear this up right now before someone stuffs up their car.

These specs are NOT INTERCHANGEABLE - 504 is for longlife petrol/507 is for longlife diesel.

The original enquirer to whom I was responding has a 2.0 TDI - hence my discussion re 505/506/507.

The use of 504 spec oil in any 2.0 TDI (or even 1.9 TDI) would VOID THE WARRANTY and probably lead to ENGINE FAILURE.

Highway is wrong - again! Bloody idiots.

Sorry for the caps - but jeez.

Why don't you take a chill pill and read the pdf that I posted the link to.

Even reading what I said would assist you.

504.00 and 507.00 are standards for petrol and diesel respectively as I pointed out but all of the oils that meet the 504.00 standard also meet the 507.00 standard and vise versa.

So take a look at the PDF and accept that Highway were correct and you were wrong (just like you were wrong with those made up standards you posted)

[nayfen]

Play nice
I have a 2.0tdi as well. thankyou for explaining which oil to use as i am thinking of taking it elsewhere once it finishes its waranty period in a couple of months.

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[Rileyowner]

504.00 and 507.00 are standards for petrol and diesel respectively as I pointed out but all of the oils that meet the 504.00 standard also meet the 507.00 standard and vise versa.

No, you did not actually point out anything.

It is very irresponsible to imply that ALL oils that meet 504 (petrol) spec meet 507 (diesel) standards.

The 505/506/507 diesel specs include special additives that, for example, are included to stop premature camshaft wear in PD diesel engines.

Why does VW bother to specify 507 diesel standards if 504 covers it all?

I've owned diesels for 20 years and I' never yet used a 'gasser' oil.

In regard to your list of 'approved' oils I've only got two words to say - 'North America'.

[Greg Roles]

Boys, boys boys!

507 is the only option for the GT's with DPF as it has the low ash content to stop blockage of the DPF. Non DPF TDI's can use the other diesel grade oils, but MUST do so becasue of the PD mechanism's HUGE requirement for specific oil sheer. The injector mech is the main reason the gasser oils aren't suitable. Probably do fine for a while, but not a risk I'd be willing to take. Common rail in the future will alter this, but the oil will still need to be low ash.

My dealer and manual recommended 507 for my car. I'm afraid it says on the back 507.00/504.00. So you are both right I'm afraid!

I'm sure they all cost about the same, so is the arguement really necessary?

[Rileyowner]

Boys, boys boys!

I'm sure they all cost about the same, so is the arguement really necessary?

I believe the 'argument' is very necessary while some people cling to the belief that 'oils is oils' and they clearly are not when it comes to diesel/petrol engines.

[Greg Roles]

I had a look on the back of my 507 oil Riely, please see the bold ammendment!

Seems Mav is right in that the 504/507 spec is interchangable for gas/diesel respectively, but you are right in that diesel oil is specific for good reason!

Hey we're all right....group hug?