Engine oil and another Q

[Maverick]

No, you did not actually point out anything.

It is very irresponsible to imply that ALL oils that meet 504 (petrol) spec meet 507 (diesel) standards.

I didn't say that, I said that currently all oils that meet the 504.00 standard also meet the 507.00 standard and vise versa.

I also provided a list of the oils to prove this.

The 505/506/507 diesel specs include special additives that, for example, are included to stop premature camshaft wear in PD diesel engines.

Why does VW bother to specify 507 diesel standards if 504 covers it all?

Because the oil manufacturers have been able to cover the requirements of both standard with one oil. The two standards have some different requirements but most of them are common.

And 504.00 does not cover 507.00, as I said all of the oils that meet the 504.00 standard cover 507.00 and vise versa and there are no oils out there that only meet one of the two standards.

I've owned diesels for 20 years and I' never yet used a 'gasser' oil.

You need to move with technology, the fact is that VW has two standards now for nearly every car (with the exception of very few specific engines). One is the 504 for petrol and one is the 507 for diesel. The fact is also that every oil available for the new standards meets both standards (504 and 507).

In regard to your list of 'approved' oils I've only got two words to say - 'North America'.

It's basically the same list for all the other countries. All the oils available that are approved work with both 504.00 and 507.00. VW even list it on their approved list as 504.00/507.00.

So once again the information given by Highway was correct and the information given by you was incorrect.

[Maverick]

Seems Mav is right in that the 504/507 spec is interchangable for gas/diesel respectively, but you are right in that diesel oil is specific for good reason!

Hey we're all right....group hug?

Just to clarify that there is no 504/507 standard.

There is a 504.00 for petrol and a 507.00 for diesel.

But every oil that has been developed has been able to meet both standards hence why VW refer to the standard as 504.00/507.00.

[harlie]

Thanks to all (sorry for igniting that unresolved bingle.....) - I understand that non DPF can run 506 but all VW Unit injector diesels will like 507. I'm going to take Guy up on his offer to check the ECU.

Not that I'm an expert, but I'd suspect a piggyback chip or other tune would simply up the diesel injected +/- more boost, which is possibly why you both feel like it's a bit fast, and it's producing smoke ( over injection ). I'd suggest a GTI kitted comfortline would be likely to have been chipped in some manner. Someone with a Vag com diagnostic cable and software ( such as me ) could check your ECU counter to look for a reflash, otherwise someone with a piggyback will chip in soon to let you know where they physically go, I've no idea.

Thanks - I agree with the "kit on a comfortline" thought. As for smoke I'm getting it at low revs, on lift off with little throttle movement. I have a good understanding of diesel retuning and an ECU remap (done properly) should not do this - a poor one might but I would think that some one who took as much pride in his vehicle as the previous owner did would have taken it back. piggy back units however are not tuned to the original map on that specific car so anything is possible.
The diesel friend of mine gave me a tech reason on why the incorrect oil can cause smoke so I have to get that sorted (I know - slack!)

[Rileyowner]

(1) And 504.00 does not cover 507.00


(2) So once again the information given by Highway was correct and the information given by you was incorrect.

(1) Thank you for finally admitting to that fact. You originally said they were 'interchangeable'.

(2) I was told someone from Highway posts regularly on this forum.

[Maverick]

(1) Thank you for finally admitting to that fact. You originally said they were 'interchangeable'.

(2) I was told someone from Highway posts regularly on this forum.

How many times do you need to be told.

ALL oils that meet the 504.00 standard ALSO meet the 507.00 standard and VW even refer to them now as the 504.00/507.00 standard.

I REPEAT, ALL OILS APPROVED BY VW FOR EITHER THE 504.00 or 507.00 STANDARD ALSO MEET THE OTHER STANDARD. It is not likely that this will change so all oils in the future will also meet both standards.

The list of approved oils has been posted clearly showing this. How about you provide some facts instead of posting incorrect information and non existent standards like you have so far?

I don't work for Highway and have no association with other then as a customer, if you can't face that fact that the information they gave out was correct and that you were wrong then too bad.

[Maverick]

(1) Thank you for finally admitting to that fact. You originally said they were 'interchangeable'.

(2) I was told someone from Highway posts regularly on this forum.

If you're going to quote someone, quote the full section and don't edit what they have said or try and twist things around because all it does is reflect back on you.

[Rileyowner]

If you're going to quote someone, quote the full section and don't edit what they have said or try and twist things around because all it does is reflect back on you.

And what about No. 2?

[Rileyowner]

In other of the other threads you're recommended people use pedders when everyone else is warning against them. Do you really know what you're talking about???

What are you on?

(The message I thought I was responding to seems to have disappeared).

[Maverick]

And what about No. 2?

As I said in my post which you clearly didn't comprehend, I don't work for Highway Auto. Even if I did this wouldn't be relevant because what they said was correct and what you posted was incorrect and misleading.

[Rileyowner]

Pedders - what's this all about?

I think it's time to get out of here.

[PhilMart]

You have to stop beating yourself up about Goose Mav.. any pilot would never havebeen able to to see what was going to happen with Iceman's jet wash!

[Maverick]

Pedders - what's this all about?

Ignore that I misread another post.

[Maverick]

You have to stop beating yourself up about Goose Mav.. any pilot would never havebeen able to to see what was going to happen with Iceman's jet wash!

If only I was using 507.00 approved oils it would never have occurred

[les88]

OK I will throw my hat into the ring.
When I picked up my Pacific TDI the service manager sold me a liter of oil.[for the oil consumption of the diesel motor]
The oil is Castrol SLX Professional Powerflow
VW LongLife 111 5W-30
on the back of the bottle
VW 504 00/507 00

so I would take it to mean that it is suitable for motors that need 504 and motors that need 507
but wtf do I know
les

[harlie]

solved

Thanks all for your input & just a follow up note.

Replaced the dodgy engine oil with Castrol SLX Professional Powerflow VW LongLife, and a new filter and that seems to have solved my smoke issue… I’ll be buggered.

There is still a puff if I really burry the boot but I’m putting that down to over fueling via a flash upgrade.