GT Diesel or GT Petrol ???

[tinto]

And that is exactly why I chose a manual TDI Jetta over one with a DSG.

Sometimes I also buy vanilla ice cream, but most of the time it is cookies & cream.
Each to their own

To the OP - take on board what everyone has said in relation to their particular purchase.
Consider how you drive your car and whether the perceived economical gains against the higher price of a diesel are actually an 'economical' win over the term you plan on owning the car. Given rising prices for all fuel, is it worth the premium over a petrol engine?

I can't say how seriously you should take the perceived issues in relation to TSI or DSG. Pretty sure everyone who owns a DSG TSI isn't bothered!

Again it comes down to how long you'll be owning it, and the type of driver you are. Drive them all back to back.

I won't be going back to a manual.
All i care about is the gear i'm in for my particular RPM, not getting my left foot involved.
DSG can blip to rev match and shift far better than I can!

[Rileyowner]

Again it comes down to how long you'll be owning it, and the type of driver you are.

I think that says it all .

[Zebby]

Thanks all for your informative opinions, it has been interesting reading and it has helped a bit. As I do not want to spend more than $35000, I had been looking at demos, and have found that there are a lot more petrol available than diesel., thus another factor in what I buy.

Will let you know what I decide, but still not sure

[POLARBEAR666]

I think the DSG service issues in the future are no big deal.

Because it is computer controlled you are much less likely to see damage on the gear teeth due to flat shifting, harsh shifting, missing gears, synchro wear etc.

I feel that the DSG will only really need clutch changes and should last the lifetime of the car with few issues.

Auto's are usually more reliable than manuals and can go much longer between clutch changes (as they have more clutch bands in a normal auto and 2 clutches in the DSG vs 1 clutch in a manual).

Does anyone know how often you should change the DSG fluid?

[Maverick]

Does anyone know how often you should change the DSG fluid?

DSG transmission oil and filter change every 60,000 km. AFAIK there is no time requirement on this but I wouldn't leave it more then 3 or 4 years if you don't do a lot of kilometers.

[BarneyBoy]

Because it is computer controlled you are much less likely to see damage on the gear teeth due to flat shifting, harsh shifting, missing gears, synchro wear etc.

That's a really valid point right there.

Even the 'best' gear changing driver will fluff the odd change and mere mortals will fluff even more gear changes. And EVERYONE will change gears at a less than ideal time (even if it doesn't feel too bad), so you could easily argue that the computer will make far less of these crappy changes over the lifetime of the 'box. Result? Less chipped gears, worn faces, stressed springs, worn clutch(es). DSG may require a more strict service schedule (not a bad thing), but could in fact out-last manual gearboxes.

There's a handgrenade for you all... Discuss//

[Greg Roles]

The manual box can take more NM with less mods, and will be a simpler fix long term, which is why I picked it. DSG is no doubt faster overall.

Then again after 7 years of big fat auto's, it's been nice to actually learn to drive a car again, rather than just steer a tiller....

[tdi guy]

service cost

Still slightly on topic when comparing GT TDI and GT TSI... I was charged $341 today for my 15k service on my GT TSI (incl $33 for rotating tyres). How does that compare with other GT TSI's and GT TDI's?

TG

[Paul_OH]

I had my TSI 7500km service a few months ago and was quoted $280. At the time of paying I was charged $260-$265 or so. It was basically an oil change so I consider it quite expensive but I had a few warranty rattles etc done at the same time.
I'm now due for my 15K service and have been quoted the same ($280).

[tdi guy]

schedule of costs to 60k

I had my TSI 7500km service a few months ago and was quoted $280. At the time of paying I was charged $260-$265 or so. It was basically an oil change so I consider it quite expensive but I had a few warranty rattles etc done at the same time.
I'm now due for my 15K service and have been quoted the same ($280).

Strangely, I was charged only $80 for the 7.5k service. The service guy at the dealer today kindly told me the 'basic' charges are as follows:
- $308 for 15k;
- $460 for 30k;
- $308 again for 45k; and
- about $800 for 60k.

TG

[Greg Roles]

Have a sift through this thread, perhaps we need to compile a sticky people??

My 30k was $327 at a recommended independant. Dealer quoted "low $400's".

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newf...ad.php?t=25242

[Oneofthegreats]

Copied over from another thread.

TDI hand's down over the twin charged 1.4L

The amount of problem's/drama's the 1.4's give us far out weigh the diesel's!

Plus also in the long run I have a funny feeling just like with DSG's, more & more problem's will arise with the 1.4L & won't be cheap to repair either, even after the warranty expires!

Diesel for simplicity, power & ecomony.

I'm not a fan of any of these car's, but I'd have a GT diesel over a boost guage (as fitted to the 1.4L) anyday!

Also remember now, that TSI doesn't stand for twin charged anymore.

It's a trademark that's it. Doesn't stand for anything.

[tdi guy]

Plus also in the long run I have a funny feeling just like with DSG's, more & more problem's will arise with the 1.4L & won't be cheap to repair either, even after the warranty expires!.

I hope you are wrong, because VW (and Audi, and presumably soon every other major car company) will be pumping out millions of them...

Also remember now, that TSI doesn't stand for twin charged anymore. It's a trademark that's it. Doesn't stand for anything.

It does when you are driving a GT...

TG

[Fanaki]

Copied over from another thread.

TDI hand's down over the twin charged 1.4L

The amount of problem's/drama's the 1.4's give us far out weigh the diesel's!

Plus also in the long run I have a funny feeling just like with DSG's, more & more problem's will arise with the 1.4L & won't be cheap to repair either, even after the warranty expires!

Diesel for simplicity, power & ecomony.

I'm not a fan of any of these car's, but I'd have a GT diesel over a boost guage (as fitted to the 1.4L) anyday!

Also remember now, that TSI doesn't stand for twin charged anymore.

It's a trademark that's it. Doesn't stand for anything.

hmmm not exactly what a TSI'er, like myself, likes to hear. so even though the twincharged 1.4 has been an award winning engine, it is still riddle with issues? or am i just reading into what your saying a bit too much?

and what kinda problems are you getting with the TSI's, just out of interest?

thanks

[Oneofthegreats]

It does when you are driving a GT...

Maybe for mk5, but not anymore sorry.

VW dumped the TSI = Twincharged, as all the new petrol engine's will be TSI.

The more red on the badge, the more power.