GT Diesel or GT Petrol ???

[jaydude02]

It doesn't matter if it's a Golf or a Corolla, any auto transmission is going to cost more than the average manual transmission in terms of servicing and replacement parts.

In regard to the DSG, I have just one question - if the 6 speed wet clutch system was so brilliant why is it being replaced with a seven speed dry clutch unit?

to further development!!!

[GTom]

Look, there's waaaay too much F.U.D. (fear, uncertainty & doubt) circulated regarding both DSG and TSI.

I'm with you on this one! People should start to get used to it as VW doesn't look like stepping away from the TSI formula. They already have different variants ranging from ~90kw - 125kw. I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future they get rid of some of the lower end engines (such as the 1.6) and replace it with this engine.

[Mischa]

In regard to the DSG, I have just one question - if the 6 speed wet clutch system was so brilliant why is it being replaced with a seven speed dry clutch unit?

its not. its coming as an addition to it. the dry clutch version can only handle 250nm.

[Greg Roles]

Barney Boy has a valid point all you naysayers. Let's wait till we actually get some failures mmmkay?

It IS rather cool however that the only real squabbles that happen in the VW camp are pissy speculative ones like this. THAT's rather cool!

[GoLfMan]

Get the Diesel...............


That is all

[OzDJ]

Look, there's waaaay too much F.U.D. (fear, uncertainty & doubt) circulated regarding both DSG and TSI.

Aye.

No different to in the 1940s with automatic transmissions.

And if only interweb forums were around in the 60s and early 70s when the first cars with EFI started going into production. Oh the doom and denial we would have been able to google now!

Carburetors 4 eva!!!! You can't hack or mod injectors!!! No-one can work on them!!! They won't last for more than 10,000 miles!!! Injectors are so unreliable and unproven!!! Injectors sux0rs!!!11111!

DJ

[Mischa]

Aye.

No different to in the 1940s with automatic transmissions.

And if only interweb forums were around in the 60s and early 70s when the first cars with EFI started going into production. Oh the doom and denial we would have been able to google now!

Carburetors 4 eva!!!! You can't hack or mod injectors!!! No-one can work on them!!! They won't last for more than 10,000 miles!!! Injectors are so unreliable and unproven!!! Injectors sux0rs!!!11111!

DJ

efi and automatics both suck though!!!

[Rileyowner]

Aye.

Carburetors 4 eva!!!! You can't hack or mod injectors!!! No-one can work on them!!! They won't last for more than 10,000 miles!!! Injectors are so unreliable and unproven!!! Injectors sux0rs!!!11111!

DJ

I had a 220SE Benz in the 70s - neither the injection system or 4 speed auto ever covered 10,000 miles without a LOT of attention. Same for the 244GL Volvo and a BMW 2002 - and don't get me started on FIAT 130s

[Timbo]

I agree. Had a BMW 528 with Bosch mechanical fuel injection. In summer -- two words -- vapour lock -- drove me nucking futs!

And it matters not what the technical performance and reliability of a car actually is; it's how it is perceived in the used car trade. Ask any former Mazda rotary owner

So we have just bought the TDI!

[tinto]

I drive a GT TSI - DSG, I always fill up with 98 (but I also did that with my 4x4). I get great mileage and a quiet, smooth engine (and transmission) that is like nothing else I've ever driven. If I was concerned about resale I wouldn't have bought a new car to my own spec in the first place.

After driving a 2L manual diesel for a month and a half across Europe (a new Peugot), stopping at lights and looking around for the truck/tractor, I decided i'd never own a diesel myself until they became smooth and quiet. I can't stand shifting short each time (compared to petrol), but I guess that is something diesel drivers get used to.

If I was doing loads of highway/country driving or buying another 4x4, I'd posibly go for a diesel as you can't hear that sound quite so much (until you have to change speed). Around town a quiet petrol with the SC punch of the TSI is pretty hard to beat IMO. I really flog my GT around town and on the highway, and it hasn't missed a beat.

Your decision depends what sort of driver you are, and how adaptable you are to accepting the different ways to get the most out of a particular engine. In either car, the DSG will use the capabilities of the engine at it's optimum.

Barney is spot on with the FUD on TSI. The issues raised are often tinged with memories of old bangers initiating new technology (ref two posts above). Key word being 'new'... nothing in the TSI is actually new technology, it is just a different combination of established tech.

IMO the price of a diesel GT w/ DSG puts it too close to the GTI to bother with the percieved savings (over how many years is that?) that a diesel will bring.

[Rileyowner]

"Barney is spot on with the FUD on TSI. The issues raised are often tinged with memories of old bangers initiating new technology (ref two posts above). Key word being 'new'... nothing in the TSI is actually new technology, it is just a different combination of established tech."

Um, they were actually new or very near new 'bangers' at the time.





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[benough]

...however if you're a person who likes to drive your car hard, i would recommend reconsidering the diesel as it will only use marginally more fuel when driven hard whereas the tsi will suck juice like no tomorrow if you're constantly revving to redline etc...

I was thinking about this during the week as I was accelerating up a steep hill in 4th gear

Someone with a TSI GT should drive around flat out till they hit the fuel light and I will do the same in my TDI GT.

Then compare the km's/consumption to your average drive.

Might be some useful info for future indecisive GT buyers?

[tinto]

"Barney is spot on with the FUD on TSI. The issues raised are often tinged with memories of old bangers initiating new technology (ref two posts above). Key word being 'new'... nothing in the TSI is actually new technology, it is just a different combination of established tech."

Um, they were actually new or very near new 'bangers' at the time.

I realise that, point being they were new cars initiating new technology.
Therefore likely to be problematic.

Forced induction isn't new technology.
Neither are multiples of forced induction, be it sequential or twin turbos.
The concept of SC and TC together is new in a volume production car.
And that's about it.

benough that would be an interesting comparison.
The DSG TSI tends to turn the SC back on rather than drop a gear to make it up a hill. I need to turn on my real time consumption meter to see whether it is drinking much more

[Mischa]

I was thinking about this during the week as I was accelerating up a steep hill in 4th gear

Someone with a TSI GT should drive around flat out till they hit the fuel light and I will do the same in my TDI GT.

Then compare the km's/consumption to your average drive.

Might be some useful info for future indecisive GT buyers?

driving as hard as you can while staying within 30% of the speed limit the gt tdi will give 650. the worst ive gotten is 550 but that wasnt really all public road driving. http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newf...283#post168283

[Rileyowner]

I realise that, point being they were new cars initiating new technology.
Therefore likely to be problematic.

And that is exactly why I chose a manual TDI Jetta over one with a DSG.