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Just a quick query about the RNS-510 and how it works with BT.
I am just about to place an order for a new GTI with the RNS510 unit. Could someone confirm what the dealers are charging for this option? Is it $2490 or $2990 (which I think is the old price for the option on GTIs)?
It is $2490. However, the 6 stacker CD is no longer included and you need to pay for that separately.
Also do I need to add a BT module option to be able to use the steering wheel controls or is this standard? From reading this thread it seems that the Premium BT module is not yet available as a dealer option? Does that mean the dashboard screen (between the dials) wont show phone functions etc?
Cheers
The RNS510 doesn't have a bluetooth interface for a phone. You have to either buy an aftermarket unit (which isn't available yet) or the VW Premium Bluetooth, which isn't available in Australia - however you can source it from O/S and get it fitted. The Premium bluetooth will use the MFD to show the phone functions.
While I believe the functions offered by the premium bluetooth are very desirable I have a few concerns about the medium term viability.
Let me explain,
The premium bluetooth unit has a cell phone contained within it.
This cellphone as far as I know is for Europe i.e. the GSM standard at both 900 and 1800 MHz.
Here in Australia the cellular landscape is a little different.
While the three main carriers have both 900 MHz and 1800 MHz GSM (as per Europe) there is also the added 3G dimension.
The vanilla flavour of 3G is at 2100 MHz, this is the so-called "normal" 3G
the four carriers have this (including "3")
Now we have Telstra with their NextG, which is 3G at 850 MHz, the only one in the world apart from Cingular in the USA.
We also have Optus deploying 3G at 900 MHz
Vodafone have made an announcement that they are expanding their 3G footprint, the frequency has not been stated.
What does this all mean?
Well if the premium bluetooth only supports GSM 900 and 1800 (and this is all I have been able to confirm) then the coverage footprint is limited.
Telstra, where their GSM coverage is now, no NextG
Optus and Vodafone, where their GSM coverage is now.
"3', no coverage.
If you are outside these areas then bad luck, no coverage.
If you are only in the major cities then it probably won't be an issue for a few years.
The other issue is that you will be somewhat constrained in which carrier you can choose.
I am happy to proved wrong, but this is my concern.
Personally I would like to see something with the functionality of the Premium Bluetooth i.e. phone functions, display on MFD etc while still using the phone rather than the phone in the premium carkit.
BTW one advantage of the premium carkit is that it uses an external antenna.
Murray
Last edited by Mr X; 23-02-2008, 10:13 AM.
Reason: slight correction
vw are dropping the ball with bluetooth.... merc and bmw have it, you can get it in a commodore, tested out a new landcruiser the other day integrated with the head unit, can connect up to 4 phones, worked seamlessly the mic is in the head unit as well.. my 5 year old pda has bluetooth...
While I believe the functions offered by the premium bluetooth are very desirable I have a few concerns about the medium term viability.
Let me explain,
The premium bluetooth unit has a cell phone contained within it.
This cellphone as far as I know is for Europe i.e. the GSM standard at both 900 and 1800 MHz.
Here in Australia the cellular landscape is a little different.
While the three main carriers have both 900 MHz and 1800 MHz GSM (as per Europe) there is also the added 3G dimension.
The vanilla flavour of 3G is at 2100 MHz, this is the so-called "normal" 3G
the four carriers have this (including "3")
Now we have Telstra with their NextG, which is 3G at 850 MHz, the only one in the world apart from Cingular in the USA.
We also have Optus deploying 3G at 900 MHz
Vodafone have made an announcement that they are expanding their 3G footprint, the frequency has not been stated.
What does this all mean?
Well if the premium bluetooth only supports GSM 900 and 1800 (and this is all I have been able to confirm) then the coverage footprint is limited.
Telstra, where their GSM coverage is now, no NextG
Optus and Vodafone, where their GSM coverage is now.
"3', no coverage.
If you are outside these areas then bad luck, no coverage.
If you are only in the major cities then it probably won't be an issue for a few years.
The other issue is that you will be somewhat constrained in which carrier you can choose.
I am happy to proved wrong, but this is my concern.
Personally I would like to see something with the functionality of the Premium Bluetooth i.e. phone functions, display on MFD etc while still using the phone rather than the phone in the premium carkit.
BTW one advantage of the premium carkit is that it uses an external antenna.
Murray
Why have bluetooth then???
If what you say is correct that this premium kits needs a Sim Card to run as a phone itself then that defeats the pupose of having bluetooth conectivty...
I would have assumed that this Premium kit would have connected to your bluetooth enabled mobile phone and then it would use the mobile phones network coverage...
If what you say is correct that this premium kits needs a Sim Card to run as a phone itself then that defeats the pupose of having bluetooth conectivty...
I would have assumed that this Premium kit would have connected to your bluetooth enabled mobile phone and then it would use the mobile phones network coverage...
please correct me if i am wrong.
..schneller..
No correction required, you are correct.
The premium bluetooth connects to the phone using RSAP. This means it uses the sim card in the phone and it controls all the functions of a phone.
The premium Bluetooth as described uses SAP but only to get the things like address book plus some system functions etc.
When the GSM phone in the Premium Bluetooth kit needs to authenticate with the appropriate GSM network then it uses SAP to get the signed response from the cpu in the SIM to send back to the network.
Remember the SIM has the authentication and encryption keys stored in it and they are non readable and so rely on the SIM cpu to do the number crunching with the appropriate inputs i.e. multiframe number etc and provide the output i.e. signed response to the network.
In this mode the mobile is put into sleep mode.
When will the premium bluetooth support 3G or one of it's various incarnations?
Murray
btw this flashy stuff needs the mobile to be running Symbian operating system S60
Hopefully the module also has a Handsfree or Headset module as well. and that you can use this instead.
Because Mr X is right - if it uses the SAP Bluetooth profile then it basically takes over control of the radio GSM in the phone by using the car antenna.
And as also mentioned it is only compatible with some nokias and siemens (and other) symbian OS phones...
So this "Premium" module is starting to look a little to advanced and limited for its own good.
Where does your information come from that it only works with S60 phones.
As far as i know this is completley incorrect.
It will work with any phone that allows RSAP.
EG Nokia 6230i, works perfectly with this phone and its not a Symbian S60 phone.
In fact the nokias running S60 like E65 etc can cause some problems when the BT kit is trying to dl the phonebook etc. See other posts and there is a workaround for this.
Our kit works fine with 3G, Imate, Nokia, Sony Ericsson etc etc. We have been using it day in & day out for 6 weeks with no issues.
Sorry - I don't get into the small details of it, we know for a fact that the Imates & PDA's (Blackberry etc) can struggle on the phone book transfer with some bluetooth devices, but there seems to be no issues at all with these that we have.
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