New R32 Owner, good purchase?

[Vdubya]

Just like to introduce myself, i have just traded in my Mazda-MX5 NC convertible for a 2nd hand 2006 3dr Deep Blue Volkswagen Golf R32 DSG, today after test driving the vehicle on numerous occasions and becoming intoxicated by that NOISE, and supreme handling.

Was originally inclined on getting the Golf GTI but after a sour deal with one particular dealer who shall remain un-named, sought my business elsewhere.

To get to the specifics, its a;

2006 3dr MKV Deep Blue Volkswagen Golf R32 DSG
-47000km/s
-SAT NAV
-Caffe Macholatte? Interior with WOODTRIM INSERTS (factory?)
-Sunroof

I paid $16500, changeover on my car with 77000km/s so i think i got a good deal, but would like to know your feedback. Was this a good deal.

I seem to think so as shopping around dealers were quoting changeovers of $20K or more, with similar to more kms.

Looking forward to picking it up Monday, and will be providing pics on delivery!

[Vdubya]

I think i just had a heart attack but i noticed upon entering in the VIN/ENGINE number rego information within REVSCHECK that this message came about.

I was under the impression a dealership and a "hopefully" reputable one like "DENLO VW" are not allowed to sell you a vehicle that is still financed or has money outstanding by LAW.

I have only left a deposit of $8000 on the car with the bulk to be paid on delivery. Is there a possibility that once i give them the rest they would pay out the financier, or the REV's check information will be updated.

Any feedback would be appreciated. thanks guys

Registration Number: ***** Request Id: 107493027
Registration State: NSW Date: 11.04.2009
VIN/Chassis: ******** Time: 21:55
Engine Number: ********



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THERE ARE FINANCIAL INTERESTS RECORDED AGAINST THE SUPPLIED VEHICLE
IDENTIFIERS
VEHICLE DETAILS MISMATCH WITH RTA.PLEASE CHECK IDENTIFIERS AND/OR CONSIDER
AUVIS INSPECTION TO ENSURE VEHICLE IDENTIFIERS ARE CORRECT.
MISMATCHED IDENTIFIERS:-
Multiple vehicles returned by Registration Authority.
- REGISTRATION NUMBER

[Russ59]

I wouldn't get too stressed about it mate because to the best of my knowledge a licensed dealer can only sell vehicles with a clear title, that is, if there are encumbrances (debts of any sort) owing on the vehicle it is their responsibility by law to finalise them, and they can't sell it to you or anyone else until then. If in doubt give them a call first thing in the morning and tell them what you've found. If you have any trouble at all with them over this, which I would think highly unlikely, contact the Dept. of Fair Trading ASAP and inform them of the situation. Also, as this is a public forum I would advise against posting the VIN chassis number and any other personal information the way you have, as anyone and everyone has access to it. Use the edit button under your message and delete that information or at least blank some of it out.

Cheers

[gerhard]

I pay cash for all my cars, so when I trade them in, a REVS (or the equivalent Victorian) check would reveal no financial interest against the vehicle.

But 99% of people do not pay cash, so virtually every car less than 5 years old will be owned by some sort of finance provider when the "owner" trades it.

As you state you've driven it on numerous occasions, we can presume the dealer has had the car for some time, and should have had the reg transferred into their name by now, which would require the finance to have been paid out.

Someone from NSW will be able to provide better guidance on what to do from here, but I would take all due diligence while not becoming too alarmed yet.

[Maverick]

Registration Number: BUB00955 Request Id: 107493027
Registration State: NSW Date: 11.04.2009
VIN/Chassis: WVWZZZ1KZ6W******** Time: 21:55
Engine Number: BUB00*******
THERE ARE FINANCIAL INTERESTS RECORDED AGAINST THE SUPPLIED VEHICLE
IDENTIFIERS
VEHICLE DETAILS MISMATCH WITH RTA.PLEASE CHECK IDENTIFIERS AND/OR CONSIDER
AUVIS INSPECTION TO ENSURE VEHICLE IDENTIFIERS ARE CORRECT.
MISMATCHED IDENTIFIERS:-
Multiple vehicles returned by Registration Authority.
- REGISTRATION NUMBER

The error is because you don't have the registration number, put in any valid car without that info and the same comes back.

[Vdubya]

I wouldn't get too stressed about it mate because to the best of my knowledge a licensed dealer can only sell vehicles with a clear title, that is, if there are encumbrances (debts of any sort) owing on the vehicle it is their responsibility by law to finalise them, and they can't sell it to you or anyone else until then. If in doubt give them a call first thing in the morning and tell them what you've found. If you have any trouble at all with them over this, which I would think highly unlikely, contact the Dept. of Fair Trading ASAP and inform them of the situation. Also, as this is a public forum I would advise against posting the VIN chassis number and any other personal information the way you have, as anyone and everyone has access to it. Use the edit button under your message and delete that information or at least blank some of it out.

Cheers

Thats what i was led to believe also, which is the reason i chose to go through a dealership then possibly put up with the hassle of buying a emcumbered vehicle through a private seller. I mean when i sat down with the sales people they did a REV's check on my vehicle which turned up clear title, my assumption would have been they do the same from the supplier of their car, otherwise they wouldn't acquire it.

My fears at the moment are having to pay the balance on the car going to try and register it at the RTA and being informed that its not officially my vehicle and have it repossessed. You can probably tell that this is the first time i have done this sort of thing solely and am kicking myself for not arranging a REV's check the first thing.

For peace of mind i think i will go back to the dealership tomorrow morning and talk to them about the results of this REV's check and demand that once i pay the balance that information is updated. It could also be that the VIN/ENGINE/REGO, are not accurate which is causing the RTA to register a mismatch with their info results so probably will identify it actually on the vehicles chassis.

BTW thanks for the warning about removing that information. Perhaps i could ask the person posts above mine to do the same?

[Vdubya]

I pay cash for all my cars, so when I trade them in, a REVS (or the equivalent Victorian) check would reveal no financial interest against the vehicle.

But 99% of people do not pay cash, so virtually every car less than 5 years old will be owned by some sort of finance provider when the "owner" trades it.

As you state you've driven it on numerous occasions, we can presume the dealer has had the car for some time, and should have had the reg transferred into their name by now, which would require the finance to have been paid out.

Someone from NSW will be able to provide better guidance on what to do from here, but I would take all due diligence while not becoming too alarmed yet.

REVS check in NSW should be equivalent in part to the Victorian one, and i normally also pay cash or so form of bank cheque in organising payment for a vehicle. The car is actually advertised on carsales, and the listing is vehicle here just to give you an idea on what car it is;

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=7034699&__Qpb=true&Cr=1&__Ns=pCar_Price_Decimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Model_String%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294962746%204294962677&silo=1011&__No=105&seot=0&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=2000&__sid=11E79B0F3288

It's just ive heard so many horror reports from issues with private sellers disclosing the finance status on cars to the buyers, and people getting burnt in the process which has got me alittle paranoid.

I then discovered that this can also occur in certain dealerships whereby they refused in paying out the resulting money to the financier. Apart from being bound by law, what assures me they will pay this off as i imagine they would have to do it rather immediately, otherwise when i goto transfer the REGO which could be Tuesday wouldnt this information come onto their system then id be in sh*t creek without a paddle.

[Vdubya]

The error is because you don't have the registration number, put in any valid car without that info and the same comes back.

Hmmm i can quite comprehend why that error appears im basically extracting the vehicle info as stated on the "sale of contract" i was required in completing. The registration number is just the license plate number correct?

[aristocrat]

Just like to introduce myself, i have just traded in my Mazda-MX5 NC convertible for a 2nd hand 2006 3dr Deep Blue Volkswagen Golf R32 DSG, today after test driving the vehicle on numerous occasions and becoming intoxicated by that NOISE, and supreme handling.

Was originally inclined on getting the Golf GTI but after a sour deal with one particular dealer who shall remain un-named, sought my business elsewhere.

To get to the specifics, its a;

2006 3dr MKV Deep Blue Volkswagen Golf R32 DSG
-47000km/s
-SAT NAV
-Caffe Macholatte? Interior with WOODTRIM INSERTS (factory?)
-Sunroof

I paid $16500, changeover on my car with 77000km/s so i think i got a good deal, but would like to know your feedback. Was this a good deal.

I seem to think so as shopping around dealers were quoting changeovers of $20K or more, with similar to more kms.

Yeah, sounds like me. I originally wanted to get a GTI until I drove the R32 - now I want one - really want one. Been looking around second hand market due to budget constraints. Just wondering what was the no trade price on the R32 if that's not too personal a question so I know realistically how much I should pay for one. Cheers.

[Vdubya]

Well trade in price was $16500, which was an affordable enough changeover figure. My trade in was valued at $24000, and considering the mileage and actually history on the vehicle i only suffered a slight depreciation which im happy about.

That said i expect to be eating bread and butter for the next few years whilst i earn back the money spent on my minimum wage job.

I seriously considered the GTI, but in order to be content i'd have to get a fully optioned one as in standard form i think they are abit lacklustre and dare i say boring. No fault on the driving qualities though. As people have mentioned its much more "tossable" nature, and the weight of the vehicle reflects this, can be easily modified and so forth but you dont get the "exclusivity" of the R32. GTI is almost like the corollas on the road, in its quantity.

I think labelling the R32 as a grand tourer is fitting, as the car feels alot more refined and i found it more pleasant to drive, which could be the fact im used to NA type engines, over turbocharged.

Oh well, only live once.

[Vdubya]

Just tried another Vehicle History check and retrieved no results. I think the advertiser of this vehicle didn't provide the correct VIN number, as the last 4 digits don't match a vehicle.

I fail how they could stuff something like this up though, i noticed the VIN number on the contract is the same. Would entering the wrong VIN on the contract make it null/void?

Im wondering wether this car was purchased in QLD, which would cause a revs check to not resolve anything despite it having NSW registered plates.

https://ols2.rta.nsw.gov.au/regcheck/pages/content/enterVehicleDetails.jsf

[aristocrat]

Mate, I hear you. I totally agree that the R32 is a Gran Tourer since the fact that it is heavier than the GTI, it tends to react slower to undulations on the road surface, smoothing out the ride. On the other hand, the suspension setting has it that it reacts quickly to abrupt changes of direction. Sure, the GTI might be quicker and lighter than the R32 - especially when tweaked, but give it some 'less than ideal' road conditions and its inherent front wheel drive weakness will shine through - traction and understeer.

Aside from the 'standards' that you get in the R32 like leather and bi-xenon as well as 4wd, one thing you cannot afford to gloss over is the sound. That barking, howling sound can never be replicated by a 4 cylinder turbo motor. I think it is worth every penny of that new price difference of $15K.

Thank you for sharing on the price. I now know that $40K is about the mark one should pay for an R32 with roof and DSG. I shall keep on the hunt.

Don't worry mate, when I get my R32, I shall be joining you on a prolonged budget trimming program. I am sure that is worth every bit of pain and suffering in other departments..... As quoted by another forum member Gunter: "When you are on your death bed, reflecting on your life, you will remember only the joy of owning the R32 - you won't give a damn whether you paid $40k or $50k. But you WILL regret not ever owning one".

That dude is my mentor

[Russ59]

Thats what i was led to believe also, which is the reason i chose to go through a dealership then possibly put up with the hassle of buying a emcumbered vehicle through a private seller. I mean when i sat down with the sales people they did a REV's check on my vehicle which turned up clear title, my assumption would have been they do the same from the supplier of their car, otherwise they wouldn't acquire it.

My fears at the moment are having to pay the balance on the car going to try and register it at the RTA and being informed that its not officially my vehicle and have it repossessed. You can probably tell that this is the first time i have done this sort of thing solely and am kicking myself for not arranging a REV's check the first thing.

For peace of mind i think i will go back to the dealership tomorrow morning and talk to them about the results of this REV's check and demand that once i pay the balance that information is updated. It could also be that the VIN/ENGINE/REGO, are not accurate which is causing the RTA to register a mismatch with their info results so probably will identify it actually on the vehicles chassis.

BTW thanks for the warning about removing that information. Perhaps i could ask the person posts above mine to do the same?

Even if there was money owing on it when it was traded in, the dealers always get the person trading (ie the owner) to sign a declaration that there's no finance or any other monies owing on the vehicle, so legally they wouldn't be stuck wearing the costs anyway. It's only when purchasing privately that this risk is always a possibility, even a revs check is not 100% safe (from what I've heard ) thus paying for a REVS certificate is probably a good idea for a bit of added security.

[aristocrat]

I reckon, its safe to have the bank cheque in your hand the day the car is ready for you to pick up. Go to RTA WITH the dealer and there and then, when the car can safely gets transferred into your name, then hand him over the bank cheque.

To be additionally safe, draft a document for the dealer to sign detailing date of transfer of ownership and that the dealer is fully responsible if the vehicle has any other financially interested parties.

[Vdubya]

Even if there was money owing on it when it was traded in, the dealers always get the person trading (ie the owner) to sign a declaration that there's no finance or any other monies owing on the vehicle, so legally they wouldn't be stuck wearing the costs anyway. It's only when purchasing privately that this risk is always a possibility, even a revs check is not 100% safe (from what I've heard ) thus paying for a REVS certificate is probably a good idea for a bit of added security.

You are correct about that as i recall somewhere in the contract i completed i was required to declare (and the dealer had did a rev's check), that the vehicle i traded in was not under financing of any sorts. With this in mind and i brought my uncle in as insurance to go over the finalising of sale, i went ahead and purchased the vehicle, which delivery i accepted today.

I had also noticed within the log book stuff that the previous owners contact details were there and decided to give him a call which he had ensured me the vehicle was not encumbered upon release to the dealers and that the REGO mismatch was apparently due to him repossessing the previous personalised plates and RTA taking some time to update their system (easter break)......so hopefully ill now if i obtain clear of title when i do the RTA transfer this following tuesday.

Getting abit late today but ill have some pic's uploaded of the vehicle shortly. it really is a stunner and im sooo glad i opted for an R32. To be honest the vehicle is so refined and a balanced packaged that if i had the money i wouldnt have any qualms with buying it brand new and optioned to the max.