Dsg

[Bug_racer]

After reading the other thread I thought Id answer some question based on my own experience with servicing DSG's , Ive done quiet a few now and I know exactly what Im doing , and Ive even worked out a way to do it without the factory tool thats no where near as messy !


Im pretty sure the sump plug is not magnetic , I'll have to double check but Im pretty sure the magnet is inside the gearbox on the steel casing on the side .

You need to be on level ground to do this , you have it on ramps your not going to be accurate !

You also may want to check the oil temps quoted as it varies for different countries

Im curious why are you so worried about metal shavings when there is a magnet there to catch them ? Your better off changing your oil as there is no magnet there to catch metal shavings from the oil . Just remember though that aluminium does not attract to magnets (thats the engine bearing material )


As for nothing going wrong , what happens when you run out of fluid , your kinda stuck until Monday when VW opens back up again .



(then reading it it starts turning ugly!)

This is the law , if you choose to break it thats up to you :

To work on your own car is fine .
To work on your mates car or close friends is fine
You can not start charging people when you work on their car in your house . The max fine is approx $110000

To work on a car while it is under warranty :
A non trade mechanic - voids warranty , basically puts a black ban on that car with all the VW dealers .
A trade mechanic non vw - If something was to go wrong and VW had to charge to repair the faults the licensed mechanic (as long as he has a premises and insurance) can claim it on their insurance . If they dont , then its you thats stuck with the bill , you can try fair trading and the mechanic may be stuck with the above fine and you may get him to pay for the damage , but it may also work against you !
A VW trade mechanic - At least they know the car , if something was to go wrong at the dealer then they are held liable . If not fair trading is your best friend !

As for the mechanics helping you with oil changes , there is a big difference from the workers to the management . Thats why I started my own shop . I always helped customers at dealership level , it was always the management who I disagreed with ! And they are the ones who make the big decisions on what gets done under warranty and whats retail !

[Jmac]

100% Bug Racer my sentiments exactly!!! and by the way you are right the magnet is in the box.
Cheers
Jmac

[UGR32]

well I was told differently by a service manager at VW.

look guys stop telling me what the 'law' is, if it comes from VW that you can work on your car and retain the warranty, then thats the way it is. Stop trying to indulge your inner sceptism.

For gods sake what are we talking about here? changing oil or replacing pistons? I never said I wanted to take the engine apart and polish the inside of the cylinder heads, Im talking about changing oil and everyone loses thier mind.

Who can stuff up an oil change anyway? Is it even possible? I dont know. I know that I wont ahve any problem doing it.

And what can happen from stuffing up an oil change? You need to empty some more oil out to get it right ?or add some more? or start again? oh no ! there goes your engine and warranty! pfft.

Chillax ffs.

[Logzy]

LOL, the DSG thread has been revived.

[DaveMack]

well I was told differently by a service manager at VW.

look guys stop telling me what the 'law' is, if it comes from VW that you can work on your car and retain the warranty, then thats the way it is. Stop trying to indulge your inner sceptism.

For gods sake what are we talking about here? changing oil or replacing pistons? I never said I wanted to take the engine apart and polish the inside of the cylinder heads, Im talking about changing oil and everyone loses thier mind.

Who can stuff up an oil change anyway? Is it even possible? I dont know. I know that I wont ahve any problem doing it.

And what can happen from stuffing up an oil change? You need to empty some more oil out to get it right ?or add some more? or start again? oh no ! there goes your engine and warranty! pfft.

Chillax ffs.

Take a chill pill yourself, Mate. All we've been trying to do is save you a lot of heartache and dosh. If our help / advice is unwelcome ... you know what to do.

Dave

[Bug_racer]

Ive got a Passat tiptronic that needs an $8k+ gearbox rebuild , maybe you should speak to them about what will happen if a gearbox runs low on oil ?
Everything you have posted is based on assumptions and what youve read . Ive been in this industry long enough to see things go wrong with disastrous results , its your choice on what you do , but , be prepared to suffer the consequences if something goes wrong

[UGR32]

yep ill be sure to take responsibility for no oil in the gear box if i forget to put the plug back on.

[Bug_racer]

just to throw a spanner in the works , the actual drain pipe part of the gearbox is torqued into the gearbox , so by tightening that drain plug differently to factory you will alter when your oil will drain out of your gearbox , thus changing the amount inside .

Good luck !

[Golf Houso]

Ive got a Passat tiptronic that needs an $8k+ gearbox rebuild , maybe you should speak to them about what will happen if a gearbox runs low on oil ?
Everything you have posted is based on assumptions and what youve read . Ive been in this industry long enough to see things go wrong with disastrous results , its your choice on what you do , but , be prepared to suffer the consequences if something goes wrong

Waaaaaa $8,000!!! I think my dad is going to have a heart attack when he hears that! Is the risk of failure and a 8,000 - 10,000 bill worth the $500 saving and the ego trip of changing your DSG oil? I didn't think so, c'mon be reasonable ...

[brad]

well I was told differently by a service manager at VW.

look guys stop telling me what the 'law' is, if it comes from VW that you can work on your car and retain the warranty, then thats the way it is. Stop trying to indulge your inner sceptism.

But if things go wrong & you need to make a warranty claim, then a verbal assurance from a VW Service Manager means bugger all.

Who can stuff up an oil change anyway? Is it even possible? I dont know. I know that I wont ahve any problem doing it.

And what can happen from stuffing up an oil change? You need to empty some more oil out to get it right ?or add some more? or start again? oh no ! there goes your engine and warranty! pfft.

lets see.... I have personally seen:

• old filter o-ring left on engine in addition to new o-ring. It lasted 2,000km before it blew out.
• Transmission oil added into engine
• 5 litre sump filled until it overflowed out of the filler hole
• Incorrect filter with incorrect thread screwed on with resultant butchered thread
• filter cross-threaded on
• sump plug left off
• sump plug screwed in hand tight - lasted 1000km before it vomited oil all over the road
• damaged sump plug washer re-used - then disintegrated - then sump plug fell out
• sump plug cross threaded in
• Oil Filter tightened with filter removal tool - O-ring stuffed
• As above - filter had to be chiselled off
• Filter not tightened.
• incorrect grade of oil (too thin) - burned off in 800km - then the engine seized
• As above (too thick) - lots of noise that the customer ignored, then the rocker arms seized.

And the list goes on........

These were all by "qualified" mechanics or apprentices though. DIYers are probably more thorough.

[gtimk5]

Dexron oil and Ryco are on sale this week!!!

[99gti]

well I was told differently by a service manager at VW.

look guys stop telling me what the 'law' is, if it comes from VW that you can work on your car and retain the warranty, then thats the way it is. Stop trying to indulge your inner sceptism.

The two people above this comment just happen to be 2 of our most qualified mechanics here - trained by VW. I doubt they are indulging in their inner sceptism but are offering you this advice based upon their experiences from working for VW.

Thanks bug-racer and jmac for your input.

Without going into the finer details UGR32 of what could or couldn't go wrong, without weighing in on the debate of what is beneficial to your car you have clearly come here seeking answers for something you are looking to do. If you disagree with the overwhelming responses to not atempt to do this then I wish you the best of luck if you choose to go ahead with it.

If howevere you are here soley for the purposes of your own entertainment, by causing conflict where it's not wanted then we will very soon be having a discusion offline. I would sugest you listen to the moderators if they have already warned you with regards to your posts.

[Logzy]

Who's is this famous quote;
"I wouldnt trust myself to get the oil amount on the filter right every time, better peice of mind for me just to buy another one."

So you dont trust that you can oil a K&N air filter properly yet you trust that you can sucessfully change your own DSG gearbox oil and filter and torque the overflow tube and sump nut to the required settings.

Im not knocking you at all, good on you for being willing to give it a go but just ask yourself once more forgetting about $$$.
Can i really do this properly myself.???

If your going to do it then good luck.
I will more than likley do mine myself too when its due but i know i can do it correctly.

[gerhard]

I'm not a trained mechanic, but I've been doing my own oil changes for years. I've rebuilt my red 6 motors quite a few times, I've pulled down the old man's Fiat 125 engine and done the head gasket on it a few times.

No pain there - all very simple engines, and all results good. Those were the days when a pair of pliers and a bit of fencing wire always got you home, because it had to - there was no RACT (or equivalent) back then, and there was little spare money to throw around.

But even with my vast experience the first time I went to do an oil change on SWMBO's Sirion GTVi I casually drained the auto transmission instead of the sump . Oh well, the sight and smell of the ATF was quickly identified as not being from the engine, and all was good. The bonus was the dangerous dags were removed from the trannie......

What does that mean, you say - bugger all, really, except even the best of intentions can go astray. If I hadn't noticed that the wrong sump was drained (unlikely, I know, but the creeping mad cow makes anything possible), I may have put 4L of additional engine oil into the little 1.3l engine and her ladyship would have driven off with an empty gearbox and an extremely overfilled engine. Wouldn't have had to tow it far, though....just push it back home.

[Jmac]

Help and advise is exactly what is intended. Speaking for Bugracer and i(Bugracer hope you dont mind) , we are independents , but are trained by VW/Audi. No one is doubting experience here but filling boxes is not just a drain and fill procedure of yesteryear. There is Factory set procedures to follow and 95% must be followed or you will undoubtably alter the characteristics of the transmission or worse. I think basically the thread has went out of control. Again its only advice and help no one is forcing anyone to do anything on here and hey the advice is free, take what you want from it. Even experienced techs all have difference in opinion and the more feedback the better, geez im learning all the time on here and elsewhere and ive been around it for over 15yrs. When that learning stops and you know it all its a sad day i reckon.
Anyway good luck
Jmac