DSG transmission oil change

[Logzy]

Ive found out the car has to be off the ground as u need to accelerate enough to get it to 6th gear, which I think is around 50-60kmph.

Im not going to try this with anything less than a proper hoist. so the project is on hold for now.

I reccommend that you DO NOT do this service yourself if you think that you have to accellerate through each gear up to 6th.
No where in the instructions for the service does it mention this.

In fact it states that with your foot on the brake you move the gear selector lever through each postition then back to park.
If you have interpretited this as accellerating in each gear then the service is not going to work out too well for you and i advise that you do not open the bonnet.

[DaveMack]

Haha, goes to show how much VW know, I asked a 'technician' and he said you need to raise it up on the hoist and accelerate to get to 6th gear.

Now I know I can do just as good as a job.

For one who was so worried about after-market software (in another thread) ... you seem to be very cavalier about voiding your warranty by undertaking such a complex issue.

Dave

[UGR32]

I didnt interpt anything, VW told me this. anyway we all know what we read, doesnt make us stupid, just misdirected, as long as we get the translation right then its aall goood!

The link I posted to the steps are exactly the same as this link which has diagrams that looks to be from the manu manual

http://www.mkv-gti.net/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_change_DSG_transmission_oil

Its easy, remove the air filter box to get to the dsg filter, remove the filter housing, remove and replace filter within housing, replace seal on filter, replace filter. Remove drain plug over flow stick, drain oil, attach filler nipple, attached hose to nipple and feed other end through engine bay to the top where u connect it to the oil bottles, undo lever fill oil to 5.5l, start engine, plug in ur laptop, monitor the transmission temp, shift through lever selections for 3 seconds each, once reached 35-45c remove hose from nipple undercar, let drain should be 1/2-3/4 l, once it starts to drip put bolt back on stop engine. Easy.

If you can change oil u can change transmission oil, just need the right tools.

[gtimk5]

DSG gearboxes wouldnt be cheap either.
I reckon if you got it wrong the insurance company would write the car off maybe too. (if they covered you for doing it yourself)
Definately NOT a backyard weekend job.
This topic should be in the humour section!!!
Andrew

[UGR32]

just because it involves a laptop u dont need to be scared, it is the year 2008 after all.

[DaveMack]

just because it involves a laptop u dont need to be scared, it is the year 2008 after all.

That's Quotable. How come you didn't use that approach to after market software? It is 2008 after all.

Dave

[UGR32]

haha, slightly different subject pushing limits of an engine and monitering temperature!

[DaveMack]

haha, slightly different subject pushing limits of an engine and monitering temperature!

OK ... your bux ... DO IT!

Dave

[UGR32]

I have ordered the rubber hose for draining the oil, its only thing Im waiting on. Once I receive I will post a big thread with a lot of pics so others can have a go if they want.

It will save you $500 plus get rid of all those millions of metal shavings from the run in period in your transmission. Should increase the life greatly of the DSG.

[FJ Steve]

UGR32...where do you live? Would love to come and watch

[UGR32]

Sydney, pm for more details.

[VW Convert]

I know its the general census that these tranny's are filled for life, however I cant help but think about all the metal shavings floating around in there...

Has anyone had there DSG trans fluid changed? If so is it costly?

I would only like to get it done after the first few thousand kms as after that I doubt there would be much more metal coming off the gears after the first few thousand kms...

A few thoughts on this:-

1. VW spent millions of dollars developing and testing the DSG, I think they know when it should be serviced. Your dealer said none of their techs had ever changed DSG oil, that should say something.......like it is not necessary and I haven't noticed a swag of VWs with failed DSG boxes on the road.

2. You quote a saving of $500+...don't forget the price of the oil, $260+ as at November 2007 as per the following thread.

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=10521&highlight=dsg+oil

3. Why would you spend $70K on a car and then attempt an unnecessary service without the technical expertise and potentially voiding the warranty on the DSG just to save a lousy few hundred dollars?

Cheers

George

[brad]

A few thoughts on this:-

1. VW spent millions of dollars developing and testing the DSG, I think they know when it should be serviced. Your dealer said none of their techs had ever changed DSG oil, that should say something.......like it is not necessary and I haven't noticed a swag of VWs with failed DSG boxes on the road.

But that's like saying that you shouldn't reflash the ECU or you shouldn't use DS2000 brake pads or DBA Gold brake rotors. VW have built their product to a price & part of that is the cost of servicing. Most people don't give a bugger whether the car gets an oil change at 15,000km or 30,000km. They want to buy the car, run it for a few years & trade it in. Any cost of servicing is an excess, so VW set minimum service levels to suit these customers. A mate of mine used to mock me every time I bought decent/expensive synthetic oil & did services at half-intervals because according to him I was keeping the engine in good condition for the next owner.

Boeing, Rolls Royce & General Electric all set minimum service levels on their aircraft which the Flying Kangaroo exceeded for many years, these days they do the minimum allowable & it is starting to bite them.

2. You quote a saving of $500+...don't forget the price of the oil, $260+ as at November 2007 as per the following thread.

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newf...hlight=dsg+oil

The service kit including oil is ~USD130 plus freight ($70?). Impex do the oil for USD16 a litre. As usual, Aussie dealers have their snouts in the trough and forget that we have a global economy these days. I'd ask for a discount.

3. Why would you spend $70K on a car and then attempt an unnecessary service without the technical expertise and potentially voiding the warranty on the DSG just to save a lousy few hundred dollars?

I think he's got a good idea doing the gearbox early and it doesn't sound overly technical at all.

But as for voiding warranty - that I can't answer

[gerhard]

What intrigues me is all the talk that permeates the forum, on the topic of the "shavings" of metal that are gouging out our engines and gearboxes during their early lives.

An engine will be gouged if the oil is not changed at 7500k according to some, who insist on changing the oil at that time. But using that thinking, the worst of the dags would come off before 1000ks, so maybe the oil should be changed then. But what about the dags that have been gouging around since 100ks?

Now it appears the transmission will be saved by changing the oil at 15000ks, but what about the damage that has already ocurred before that. Same as above - if it's necessary to change oil at 15000k, why is it not necessary to change it at 7500k, or 1000k?

Don't forget the wheel bearings, folks - they must have shavings too - better change them at 1000k.

I'll service mine according to VW's schedule, and even then if long-life variants of oils are used, the intervals could safely be left longer, as they are overseas.

Meanwhile I'll flush my shavings down the sink every morning, and be comfortable that the engine and tranny aren't being filed to death.

[DaveMack]

What intrigues me is all the talk that permeates the forum, on the topic of the "shavings" of metal that are gouging out our engines and gearboxes during their early lives.

An engine will be gouged if the oil is not changed at 7500k according to some, who insist on changing the oil at that time. But using that thinking, the worst of the dags would come off before 1000ks, so maybe the oil should be changed then. But what about the dags that have been gouging around since 100ks?

Now it appears the transmission will be saved by changing the oil at 15000ks, but what about the damage that has already ocurred before that. Same as above - if it's necessary to change oil at 15000k, why is it not necessary to change it at 7500k, or 1000k?

Don't forget the wheel bearings, folks - they must have shavings too - better change them at 1000k.

I'll service mine according to VW's schedule, and even then if long-life variants of oils are used, the intervals could safely be left longer, as they are overseas.

Meanwhile I'll flush my shavings down the sink every morning, and be comfortable that the engine and tranny aren't being filed to death.

I'm with you on this Gerhard. I don't believe for a second that they set the services to absolute minimums (where's the profit margin in that?) because that would assume that they are willing to up the risks on warranty replacement of parts ... and they are, if nothing else, very smart business men at VW.

Dave