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    Hi Everyone

    I have been having problems with my turbo for a few weeks now and I'm in the process of trying to get it sorted, I'll list the problem and I'll list what Ive done and are about to do, but if anyone has had similar problems please let me know.

    PROBLEM:

    No error codes showing VCDS (Vag-com had Lucas scan the car on Monday).
    Lost boost Ive gone from 16-17 PSI to 8-13 PSI and that's if I'm lucky.
    Lots of Turbo lag, hard to hear it spool up anymore.

    FIXES so far:
    Installed new APR R1 diverter valve.
    New NKG spark plugs.
    Replaced vacuum hoses from the FPR (Did this with a boost gauge install before I had the problem that's why I know I've lost boost).
    Have a new N75 J revision valve to install tonight.

    Note the car is chipped by GIAC and was running great for months.

    Also I have just had the middle muffler removed and had a Remus muffler installed, but I've been told by a few people that this is not related and it was just a coincidence the turbo started playing up after I had this done.

    At the moment it drives like crap and it pisses me off every time i get in it, When I chipped it it felt amazing and I grinned whenever I drove it, I just want that feeling again.

    Any help or ideas would be great, and If anyone has had the same problem if you could let me know what you had to do to fix it that would be great.

    Please helpppppp
    Last edited by theOctopus; 23-06-2011, 12:10 PM.
    The daily
    White 2001 Mk4 GTI
    GIAC stage 1 - ECS stage 1 clutch & 14lbs Flywheel - 42Draft/Remus Exhaust - APR R1 dv - N75J - K&N

  • #2
    Just a stab i the dark, Not exactly sure how the standard wastegate setup is but i'd assume its an internal gate with an external vacuum actuator. See if you can find it and see if it's plumbed up ie no hoses split or popped off etc

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    • #3
      Not sure if the MAF will throw a code, but could be an issue. Apparently disconnecting the MAF will get normal boost back (not a solution, but could show the MAF is the issue).

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      • #4
        Ill Replace the N75 tonight if that doesn't fix it then I'll look at the MAF, but removing it and driving will throw a code for sure haha.

        Does anyone else recommend testing the MAF this way?

        Also I'll look at the test WhO noted, just need to figure out how to do it for my setup.
        The daily
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        • #5
          Ok been for a very long drive haha.

          I changed over the n75j I just got with the old one which was a n75f.

          Also checked the MAF and it and the housing are really clean no oil etc.

          Ok after resetting the ecu (battery) waiting for the TB to calibrate I took it for a spin easy at first then I pushed it, in terms of the Turbo itself it sounds like it use to before the problem and I think the new n75 has really smoothed it out I'm now getting a stable 15psi which is way better than before but still has a lot of lag.

          I can deal with 15 for awhile until i can do a boost leak test then Ill get all new hoses and ill replace and do another boost leak test, when you think about it the hoses are 10 years old if they are not failing now they will sometime so new hoses all round need to be done.

          But if anyone has heard about things that can cause this without throwing codes let me know, its going to be awhile for the hoses and test.

          In my searching I've found it can be caused by almost anything so any more help would be great.
          Last edited by theOctopus; 23-06-2011, 12:11 PM.
          The daily
          White 2001 Mk4 GTI
          GIAC stage 1 - ECS stage 1 clutch & 14lbs Flywheel - 42Draft/Remus Exhaust - APR R1 dv - N75J - K&N

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          • #6
            Still been having problems with this, and i think i maybe on the right track.

            Pcv and/or fpr

            I noticed a big drop of vac on the weekend down to about 18 at idle was about 22 (hg), so replaced all the small vac hoses from the manifold and fpr then noticed this (see pic)




            Just above the rectangular shape on the hose is a large split, I've tempory used some high pressure silicone tape to cover it till i replace it. Vac came back to 20 but after further playing and listening i can hear air coming from the fpr.

            What would i do to fix a leak from the fpr??

            Also what should the normal vac readings should be??
            Last edited by theOctopus; 05-12-2011, 01:17 PM.
            The daily
            White 2001 Mk4 GTI
            GIAC stage 1 - ECS stage 1 clutch & 14lbs Flywheel - 42Draft/Remus Exhaust - APR R1 dv - N75J - K&N

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            • #7
              22 is about bang on for vac mate. where on the FPR is it leaking?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by leighaus View Post
                22 is about bang on for vac mate. where on the FPR is it leaking?
                The edge where is sits in the fuel rail (sorry i think that's how to explain it)
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                • #9
                  Need advice again guys got a strange sound which sounds like it's coming from the turbo, at around or above 16 psi I can hear a squeal a bit like a bad ac or power steering belt. It's not the normal turbo spool sound

                  I have just installed a 3 inch downpipe and now it's spooling up faster I hit 16psi early and it wants to go further but with the noise its making reluctant too.

                  This maybe related to the existing problem of the boost dropping to 15psi from around 20psi and now the downpipe let's it spool faster its noticeable.

                  What could it be??

                  I'm now at the point of getting it looked at but would need to be recommended someone to go to who knows their stuff with these cars in melbourne?

                  Sent from my GT-I9100
                  The daily
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                  • #10
                    Possible the bearings have gone in the turbo.... causing the squeal. I'm not a mechanic but they are 1 of the 2 moving parts inside a Turbo. either that or your turbo has become unbalanced and is grazing the inner wall. I could be wrong however
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by WhO View Post
                      Just a stab i the dark, Not exactly sure how the standard wastegate setup is but i'd assume its an internal gate with an external vacuum actuator. See if you can find it and see if it's plumbed up ie no hoses split or popped off etc
                      Its a pressure actuator , requires pressure to open wastegate . If you crimp the hose you should be able to overboost the turbo .

                      ---------- Post added at 01:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:52 PM ----------

                      Originally posted by noone View Post
                      Not sure if the MAF will throw a code, but could be an issue. Apparently disconnecting the MAF will get normal boost back (not a solution, but could show the MAF is the issue).
                      Doesnt really work on DBC turbo VAG cars , works alot better on DBW cars in diagnosing MAF issues

                      ---------- Post added at 01:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:53 PM ----------

                      Originally posted by theOctopus View Post
                      Still been having problems with this, and i think i maybe on the right track.

                      Pcv and/or fpr

                      I noticed a big drop of vac on the weekend down to about 18 at idle was about 22 (hg), so replaced all the small vac hoses from the manifold and fpr then noticed this (see pic)




                      Just above the rectangular shape on the hose is a large split, I've tempory used some high pressure silicone tape to cover it till i replace it. Vac came back to 20 but after further playing and listening i can hear air coming from the fpr.

                      What would i do to fix a leak from the fpr??

                      Also what should the normal vac readings should be??
                      That hose is a common problem now . It splits causing air leaks/boost leaks . Its not cheap to fix about $80 from a dealer

                      ---------- Post added at 01:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:55 PM ----------

                      Originally posted by Ironman View Post
                      Possible the bearings have gone in the turbo.... causing the squeal. I'm not a mechanic but they are 1 of the 2 moving parts inside a Turbo. either that or your turbo has become unbalanced and is grazing the inner wall. I could be wrong however
                      KO3 runs a sleeve not a bearing
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                      • #12
                        Cracked Pcv hoses near the intake mani are a common issue on your car from what I've seen. If you can't find much on here, check the 1.8t section on vortex.

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                        • #13
                          Cool ill look into these things, another thing I've noticed is I'm not getting the same dv sound anymore if any sound at all, could this also cause this spool noise, it's a Apr r1 dv and is meant to be matinance free. I'll recherche k and try my old dv tonight to check its a dual port so I should be able to hear it release presure.

                          I've replaced and triple checked all hoses from and to the turbo.

                          Also does anyone know the part number for that cracked hose?

                          Also I do have 21hg of vac once the car is warm at start up its 18hg

                          Sent from my GT-I9100
                          Last edited by theOctopus; 12-12-2011, 02:20 PM.
                          The daily
                          White 2001 Mk4 GTI
                          GIAC stage 1 - ECS stage 1 clutch & 14lbs Flywheel - 42Draft/Remus Exhaust - APR R1 dv - N75J - K&N

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bug_racer View Post
                            Its a pressure actuator , requires pressure to open wastegate . If you crimp the hose you should be able to overboost the turbo .



                            KO3 runs a sleeve not a bearing
                            So the line running to the wastegate from the n75 controls this, should I be able to move the arm from the wastegate with my hand?

                            So no bearings, so is the noise a leak? or could it be the turbo not getting oil?

                            Sent from my GT-I9100
                            Last edited by theOctopus; 12-12-2011, 02:36 PM.
                            The daily
                            White 2001 Mk4 GTI
                            GIAC stage 1 - ECS stage 1 clutch & 14lbs Flywheel - 42Draft/Remus Exhaust - APR R1 dv - N75J - K&N

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                            • #15
                              check the oil feed pipe for blockage. remove and inspect its worth the check for peice of mind. if there blocked no oil to turbo and they will squeal untill they seize!!!

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