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  • 1st Gear grind

    The saga continues.

    I need some advise and knowledge. 1st gear started grinding a couple of days ago.

    What happens is: When im shiffting down it will grind basicly. The higher the revs the harder it is to put it in, i dont dare to put it in at any higher than ~3.5k from second. When i try to put it from 3-2.5k in second its realy difficult and grinds in, when its at 2-1.5k in second it will either clunk in realy hard or grind a little then clunk in. It will only go in 'noramly' when its at idel or a tiny bit above.

    I say 'normal' because first gear was always a bit tough to shift in to no matter what revs the car was at.

    I tryed to align the shifter properly today, i didnt exactly align it perfectly but i did move it a fair bit from where it was, no change to 1st gear grinding.

    The gear box is a mk3 box from Matt (Golf Loon). Cant remember how many Ks on it or what box it is exactly.

    Another little thing i was wondering is how much 'free-play' is the gear shift suposa have? Mine has some, i wouldnt say its a little play and wouldnt say it way to much play, it a bit in the middle, you can move it about 1-1.5 if not 2cm from side to side without it moving anything in the gear box.


    Help needed prity despritly as i dont want to f'up the box. It will mean buying a commodore.
    MK1 GLS 3door
    A4 B7 2.0T

  • #2
    down shifting into first at high revs will give you a problem. sounds like your driving and not the car
    at 3500rpm+ you shouldnt need to be dropping it to 1st!

    when i was learning to drive i was told if the car is moving then you never use first gear.

    it also sounds like you may have some sort of selector mis-alingment or worn bushes.

    my old mk2 16v used to be funny selcting 1st, when pulling away i would have to drop it into second then first and it will go in every time. if i tried going straight for first it just wouldnt have it.
    Velly
    '91 2.0 8v GTI

    Originally posted by DubSteve
    I have wood thinking about you

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    • #3
      The thing is that it never did it before, but always had a problem shifting.

      I may have over exadurated the revs a bit. I admit 2+k in second to first is a bit much and i dont do it oftern, usaly a mistake, but it shouldnt do it when its at 1.5k and under when im slowing to a stop at a red.

      I dont shift to first and then go, i shift to first when slowing at a redlight, then stop.

      It grinds with the clutch in.

      Before the grinding started, sometimes, not on downshift, it would only go half way in to first then when u let go of the clutch it would clunk in all the way.

      Also, shifting in to reverse sounds realy bad, big clunk every time.
      MK1 GLS 3door
      A4 B7 2.0T

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      • #4
        could be abit to do with alingment...but i think selecting 1st while your moving is a no no, esp with an old car. sounds like the 1st gear syncro is dying,

        dude, i would think about when shifting to 1st.


        also could be wear on your clutch and also clutch cable
        Velly
        '91 2.0 8v GTI

        Originally posted by DubSteve
        I have wood thinking about you

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        • #5
          Originally posted by velly_16v_cab View Post
          could be abit to do with alingment...but i think selecting 1st while your moving is a no no, esp with an old car. sounds like the 1st gear syncro is dying,

          dude, i would think about when shifting to 1st.


          also could be wear on your clutch and also clutch cable
          Ah well learn from mistakes.

          Whats the remedy?
          MK1 GLS 3door
          A4 B7 2.0T

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          • #6
            damage is done....just dont make it any worse
            Velly
            '91 2.0 8v GTI

            Originally posted by DubSteve
            I have wood thinking about you

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            • #7
              yer mate, mine does this the box doesnt like to be dropped into first when moving just drive up to lights in 2nd, my box refuses to go into gear anyting above 1k so just dont force it. Matts box will be fine mate he knows his stuff when its comes to that so unfortuantly maybe a few foeced pushes into first has caused the issue.
              90 GTI Mk2 1.8t soon to be with GT28rs

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              • #8
                yeah sounds like you syncro is worn out, it wont get any better just worse. just take it easy on the shifts into first and dont force it in, just stop in 2nd then take of in first or get a new gearbox.
                cheers brenton
                MK1 4door
                MK2VR6
                MK3VR6
                Transporter
                1st place, stock MK3VR6. Vw nationals 07
                2nd place, mod MK2VR6. Vw nationals 09
                and untold wrecks

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                • #9
                  Why would you need 1st gear when engine braking? you have to go really slowly and slip the clutch a lot. Almost no point. I found that sometimes even 2nd is not really worth it in my car (short gears). If i need 1st just before i stopped i double clutch it and it accepts the gear and goes hard! I double clutch every time i need a lower gear to accelerate. It saves the g'box and the clutch
                  1991 BMW 318is RED E30

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by balkanac View Post
                    Why would you need 1st gear when engine braking? you have to go really slowly and slip the clutch a lot. Almost no point. I found that sometimes even 2nd is not really worth it in my car (short gears). If i need 1st just before i stopped i double clutch it and it accepts the gear and goes hard! I double clutch every time i need a lower gear to accelerate. It saves the g'box and the clutch
                    You dont drive a mk2. Its 77kw if that not 170

                    I wasnt engine braking, just put it in first with the clutch in. Geting ready to take off before i stoped if that makes scence.

                    So the syncro cant be fixed?
                    MK1 GLS 3door
                    A4 B7 2.0T

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                    • #11
                      not really cos the car is sitting waiting with the clutch in hence wearing the clutch!

                      yes it can be fixed, but the box will need to be stripped. and if you kep driving like that you will need it done again
                      Velly
                      '91 2.0 8v GTI

                      Originally posted by DubSteve
                      I have wood thinking about you

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by velly_16v_cab View Post
                        not really cos the car is sitting waiting with the clutch in hence wearing the clutch!

                        yes it can be fixed, but the box will need to be stripped. and if you kep driving like that you will need it done again
                        I wont be driving like that anymore. I simply didnt know, no one ever told me, i only ever drove manual with the instructor and my uncle.

                        What do you rekon it will cost, ive found the syncro for 1st for about $15, but how much for a pro to put it in?
                        MK1 GLS 3door
                        A4 B7 2.0T

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                        • #13
                          Dont put the car in 1st unless you are stationary. EVER.
                          Its common with golfs to have to go from 2nd to first.

                          It`ll cost heaps to have the box pulled apart, just be gentle and it`ll be ok.

                          I reckon its a linkage problem. Too much freeplay in there somewhere, get someone knowledgeable to have a look.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Golf Loon View Post
                            Dont put the car in 1st unless you are stationary. EVER.
                            Its common with golfs to have to go from 2nd to first.

                            It`ll cost heaps to have the box pulled apart, just be gentle and it`ll be ok.

                            I reckon its a linkage problem. Too much freeplay in there somewhere, get someone knowledgeable to have a look.

                            Cheers mate, ill take it to Volkworke when i have time.

                            Do you think a new linkage is in order?

                            Is it ok to shift down from other gears though? eg. 3rd to 2nd, 4th to 3rd.
                            MK1 GLS 3door
                            A4 B7 2.0T

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                            • #15
                              I drive Golfs by keeping the revs up and using the gears to slow down.
                              Except first gear. It is a delicate thing like reverse. My Driving instructior told me that it is only for moving the car from a stand still.

                              There are a few linkages and bushes that can be the culprit.
                              Look down behind the exhaust on the subframe where there is a little metal box with a ball or a white plastic flower thing in the middle of it.
                              If you have the plastic showing and no ball, you can slip a piece of hose the right size over it to replicate the ball to get the slop out. Or you can buy the rod with the ball on from VW for $120 or something like that.
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                              All Mechanical Work, Log book Servicing, New and used Parts and Imports
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