Genuine GTI traits

[joshyd-mk2gti]

just trying to get a list together of what makes a genuine gti. heres what ive got so far (correct me if im wrong):

-black headliner
-wheel arch kit
-4 speed up to 12/79, 5 speed there after

if you know of any other traits, post em up.



ps. spotted a gti badged mk1 parked outside a house and wondering if its real or not. ill go back for another look when i know what to look for. it says 1979 on the rego sticker, has dual headlights, wheel arch's, plastic bumpers.

[h100vw]

Red trim around the grille, sports seats, oil temp gauge on most models I think. MFA fitted on all 1800 GTIs. 6 x 13 steelies, 6 x 13 alloys on late 1600s and early 1800s. Campaign models had 6 x 14 alloys (Pirelli P slots). Golf ball gear knob. Black or silver side stripes, black decal around the rear window, except for black cars. Vented disc brakes. Rev counter.

That'll do for now while I have a think.

Gavin

Spots in the grille doesn't make it a GTI as they were a cost option on all GTIs except the Campaign which came with foglights not spots in the grille. Made by Hella

[gtimk5]

Black instument cluster. Later models had black plastic trim down the front pillars beside the windscreen. Front and rear swaybars. Rear wiper?

[RedMk2Gti]

This thread is continuation of this :-

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=6068

[joshyd-mk2gti]

^ ah soz, didnt see that thread.


just went and got some pics of that car i mentioned. it looked better when i was drunk and it was dark, only a couple spots where rust is bubbling up under the paint. had cream/white headliner, did have 3 gauges down near the golf ball gear stick thou. scuse the phone pics. is it a real one..?

[Dan]

Fixed quarter windows
gti steering wheel -3 spoke early model, 4 horn later model,
later model had rear nurse seat belts,
upgraded booster and m/c (size of m/c varies depending on the year),
decent sized chin spoiler,
electronic ignition,
later model has rear vision mirror tilt option thing,
bigger radiator (at least in the 1.,
upgrade clutch either 200mm or 210mm depending on 1.6 or 1.8.,
GTI down pipe has longer secondaries,
and the most obvious being k-jet

I stripped a 83 gti in Germany ages ago....

[evorobin]

112 of ze wilda horse under tha bonnet

Actually put what I suspect is a genuine Oettinger mk1 GTI 16v badge on my car today as I couldn't find a mk2 one on ebay. Go figure...

Maybe matt will swap the mk2 badge he's got on the green beast. Seems only fair a mk1 valver has the correct livery

[RedMk2Gti]

^ ah soz, didnt see that thread.


just went and got some pics of that car i mentioned. it looked better when i was drunk and it was dark, only a couple spots where rust is bubbling up under the paint. had cream/white headliner, did have 3 gauges down near the golf ball gear stick thou. scuse the phone pics. is it a real one..?

Mk1 Gti didn't come with that colour, it has no red grill surround. it's not real.

[gldgti]

Mk1 Gti didn't come with that colour, it has no red grill surround. it's not real.

could have been resprayed (30+ year old cars often are) and the grille could have been replaced or painted... just pointing out the obvious.

[Oneofthegreats]

A detailed 10 point list to spot a genuine "Campaign" GTI.

As copied from the Campaign Register. Can remove it causes problem's.

1. The car should be an A-reg or later UK registration. All Y-reg cars have to have been manufactured before August 1983 so they should not be Campaign models. To confuse matters though, some A-reg cars may not be 'Campaigns' because they were manufactured before August 1983 but not sold until after the August 1983 registration change.

2. All Campaigns were fitted with an original factory sliding sunroof. (Note that Pirelli and Plus special editions did not feature this as standard)

3. All Campaigns were fitted with green tinted glass all round.

4. All campaigns came with a leather bound version of the four button steering wheel. This doesn't look much different to the standard one, but the leather stitching is obvious.

5. All campaigns originally had a twin headlamp grille fitted. Unlike the aftermarket version of this grille, the original supplementary lamps were foglamps not driving lamps. These can be spotted easily enough by the glass design. The foglamps have a vertical serrated pattern, the driving lamps are usually clear. The campaign was the only GTI to be factory fitted with twin headlamp grilles, although they were options on earlier 1800cc GTIs.

6. The campaign models had different door lock pins. The older cars had door lock pins that looked like flat mushrooms. The campaign model ones were more slimline and had a dimple in the top. We have discovered that these pins are nothing other than the ones generally used for the mk2 Golf, so it appears the supply of original mk1 pins dried up just prior to the launch of the campaign.

7. The campaigns may have had a fuel cap with a spring loaded cover, and a black bezeled interior trim. A number of campaigns did not appear to have this feature.

8. The campaign model was fitted with 14" Pirelli alloy wheels. Similar wheels were also available for the Mk2 GTI, but you can tell the difference in two ways. The Mk1 wheels have larger P's (the gap between P's on the mk1s is 7mm, on the mk2 wheels it is 10mm) and the centre caps on the mk1 should have the word 'Pirelli' stamped on them. Be wary of late model mk1 1800cc GTIs with sunroofs with a set of Mk2 GTI pirelli wheels, this is the most common 'Fake Campaign'. Check very carefully as authentic mk1 rims are hard to come by! You can also tell the difference between the two rims by looking at the part number stamped on the rim, after removing the centre cap. The original mk1 rims have a single 'A' at the end of the code, Mk2 rims have an 'AA' instead.

9. Campaigns came in a limited variety of colours. These are Mars Red, Alpine White, Schwartz Black, Diamond Silver, Helios (Dark)Blue and Lhasa Green, the last three being metallic. A small minority of campaigns were available in Atlas Grey, normally considered a mk2 Golf colour.

10.Campaign models should have a specific code in the Chassis (VIN) number. This should read WVW ZZZ 17EW nnnnnn. Where the 17 means a Mk1 Golf, the E is signifies an August 83 onwards manufacture date and the W implies the car was built in Wolfsburg Germany. Note that all mk1 Golfs produced after August 1983 will have an E in their chassis number, this includes the base models, and the runout 'GX' model too, so the chassis number is not unique to the campaign.