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  • #31
    Some people rave about the ABF 16V, but I would doubt that on the road you would notice the extra 11hp and 11ft.lbs of torque?

    1.8 KR 16V (US spec)
    123hp @ 5800rpm
    120ft.lbs @ 4250rpm

    1.8 16V (Euro)
    139hp @ 6100rpm
    124ft.bs @ 4600

    ABF 2.0 16V
    150hp @ 6000rpm
    135ft.lbs

    Many of the KR 16v you would find in Australia would be US spec and would require Euro cams to bump the power up to 139hp.

    Difference between ABF 16V and 9A 16V:
    digifant 3.0, Rods are 15mm longer(159 vs. 144), block is 16mm taller(236mm vs. 220).
    Different cams, narrower intake ports on ABF/9A than KR/PL, better exhaust ports on ABF/9A than KR/PL.
    ABF uses 35 mm long valve guides, KR/PL uses 38 mm.
    ABF uses different inlet and exhaust valves (95,5 and 97,95 mm long) than KR/PL (95,5 and 98,2 mm long).
    ABF uses VR6 valve spring retainers, Longer cambelt for the 16.5mm higher block. ABF uses a welded tube exhaust manifold, KR/PL uses cast exhaust manifold

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    • #32
      TassieGTi thank you for the extra stats .
      Any cams out there to suit PL 16v and could i go a stronger cam to bump it up any higher
      And I know there are cams, but just wondering any local eg. Aus

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      • #33
        As you would be aware there are plenty of options in the way of cams. Piper, Schrick and Kent would be the best option, but are very very expensive once you get them from the UK. US made Euro spec cams are a little cheaper, but still around $500. Best option is to try and find a pair of standard euro 16v cams to bump the output to 139hp. Would not be easy to come by in Aus. With a few mods, you would be hitting the 150hp mark as achieved by the ABF.

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        • #34
          tassiegti on paper you may think theres not alot of diff between the 2 engines...from my experience with both engines in stock and modified combos the abf blows the door handles off a stk 16v...the preformance potential of the abf normally aspirated is up to nearly 200kw thats over 270hp..of course the internals are also heavily modified tio acheive this result. at this point the stk g/box has already cried enough!!!!!, as the sounds of marbles in a tin can echo in your ears,, the stk box is good for 200-240hp..its the other parts of the drive line which also suffer cv's ,uprights, wheel bearings etc.have to think what ABF stands for absolute bum?????? cheers steve

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          • #35
            No doubt of its potential to be tuned. In standard form I think alot of it is psychological. Tell someone your engine is highly modified when it's not and they'll jump out thinking it is awesome!! My mate has had his VR6 chip tuned to 200hp and mine remains standard! You can't tell the difference on the road! Out on the race track you might notice improved lap times on a std 16v, your average Jo Blo would hardly notice the difference! People get too caught up in figures on paper when there are so many other factors to consider! If you can get hold of a 16V in Aus, bang it in and enjoy the drive!

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            • #36
              make the most of what you do have that way youll enjoy it more when the holy grail comes along thats wat im doin with my little 1600 carb its got a bit of punch for a stock block.
              VW: it aint just a car, its a way of life
              There are few things more satisfying in life than finding a solution to a problem and implementing it
              My Blog: tinkererstales.blogspot.com.au

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              • #37
                same here mate

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                • #38
                  is that finemk1's car in ur avatar?? foolio
                  VW: it aint just a car, its a way of life
                  There are few things more satisfying in life than finding a solution to a problem and implementing it
                  My Blog: tinkererstales.blogspot.com.au

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                  • #39
                    nop, just a random tassie golf. i was sick of my old avatar, and that was the only pic i had on me, ill change it to a pic of one of my cars

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                    • #40
                      i can get a G60 motor with gearbox for $5000 wat do peple think of that
                      VW: it aint just a car, its a way of life
                      There are few things more satisfying in life than finding a solution to a problem and implementing it
                      My Blog: tinkererstales.blogspot.com.au

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                      • #41
                        Not worth the head ache fixing the supercharger all the time only one answer to that 1.8t!!!!!!!!!

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Golfwise
                          Not worth the head ache fixing the supercharger all the time only one answer to that 1.8t!!!!!!!!!
                          how much do they cost?
                          VW: it aint just a car, its a way of life
                          There are few things more satisfying in life than finding a solution to a problem and implementing it
                          My Blog: tinkererstales.blogspot.com.au

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                          • #43
                            tassiegti I doubt your mate has 200hp as this is 146kw and no chip tune in the world gives a AAA engine close to 30kw upgrade...point proved when your std vr6 drives the same..man you really notice 30kw , without a camshaft change and some induction mods etc etc a vr6 engine is 128kw stk..Oettinger germany's leading tuning firm say its useless to chip a normally asperated engine without further mods to the internals...chip only tuning increases fuel delivery and limited timing improvments which equals increase consumption and emitions..for very little kw gain.cheers steve

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                            • #44
                              VR6 chip

                              I've driven it too and can't pick the difference.
                              One shouldn't believe all the hype about chips on some engines.

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                              • #45
                                my train of thought...... if your going to the trouble of fitting a 16v and have a bit of extra cash!!....$600-$1000
                                do ya self a favour and get a aftermarket EMS, yes the VW kjet and the standard injection is good, but u just cant compare with a aftermarket one, ,easier to use, will get bigger gain and will maximise potential out of any engine! im slowly lerning how to use the tuning program on pc befor taking on a laptop and actually using it in the car for road tuning... the biggest problem is tuning cost/dyno time i pay $250/tune. lerning how to is the cost of a laptop but u can steal that. im running a Microtech Lt8 system and it blew me away, controls ignition and fuel and will never go back to stock computers..
                                the golf is not dead.

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