Kjet Fuel Pump Relay

[dub be good to me]

I'm fitting an 8v Kjet to my Mk1, but don't have a 'tachometric relay' can I just use normal relay?
I have a couple of 30A fused relays lying around, but they only have four pins (missing earth). Will these do?

From my understanding the pins should be (taken from www.diagnostic-assistance.co.uk/mech_inj.htm):
30 - Positive from battery
31 - Earth
1 or 31b - Coil negative
15 - Switched ignition on voltage (from coil)
87 - Out let to fuel pump

What I propose with the relay I have:
30 - Positive from batt
87 - Positive to pump
85 - Switched ignition on voltage (from coil)
86 - Coil negative

Will that work?

[h100vw]

Would work but you'll get fuel pressure all the time. The extra pin on the std relay cuts off the fuel pump when the engine is stopped.

Getting a prpoer replay should be hard, doesn't have to be a Kjet one AFAIK.

A digifant one would do the same job I think. Or there's Volvos to pillage.

Gavin

[paulie71]

not a bad idea to avoid anything that doesn't cut off when engine stops. Reason for this is unlikely event of a crash where fuel line is ruptured and pump is still going.

[thestu]

dude...your wrong.

the big relay controls all the pressure. the small relay is just to control current.

i remember now. the small relay is for the fuel pump (to hold the current) and the big relay is triggered to switch on and off with the coil. when the big relay is triggered it completes the fuel pump relays curcuit allowing the fuel pump to run. only 4 pins on the 30amp relay are used

i told you to call me if you got stuck!

[dub be good to me]

Don't stress, that post was before I spoke to you yesterday. I wired it up as per your diagram
Still trying to get it started though. I was getting pre-ignition which should be over-advanced timing (and means there is spark?)... so i've been twisting the dizzy clockwise to compensate... expect my battery just died
I'll let you know how it goes. Expect a call

[Golf Loon]

You`ll never get Kjet going without a good battery.

Charge it up and get anotehr on standby then go at it.

[dub be good to me]

Yeah, the battery seems to struggle turning it over.
I noticed the Kjet 1.8 was quite hard to crank (assume this is because it is high compression?), does it require a different starter motor?

[Golf Loon]

Timing is probably out making it hard to turn.

Kjet does have a different starter, mostly because it needs to send a cranking signal back to the cold start setup.

Your one should crank it, just make it hard whilst it is out of tune with a weak battery.

[dub be good to me]

Sorry wasn't really clear in the last post.
When I cranked it by hand I noticed it was really tough.

The engine came with a starter motor, but I swapped to a 5spd (thanks Loon) so I'm not sure which one I put back on. They both looked the same.
Is there anything I should look for to distinguish them?

I think the part number may have been different, but just last couple of numbers...

Also, the brake nipple on the back LHS sheared off (rusty and over muscled by the last guy - my brother ) when I tried to bleed the brakes (I had previously noticed fluid in that corner) leaving some of it behind. Is there any easy way to get it out?

[Golf Loon]

Probably both starters are the same. See if one of them has extra electrical terminals on the solenoid.

A new slave cylinder for the rear is probably the easiest fix there

[dub be good to me]

Good call Loon. New brake slave cylinder fitted. Will bleed when I have an assistant..

Couple of Kjet Wiring Q's
I have a couple of questions about the kjet wiring diagram (see link).
1) Where/what is the 'Ignition Start (starter)' that powers the Cold Start Valve and Temp Sender?
Is that from the starter motor (as this stops after ignition) or does it mean constant power from when the ignition is engaged?

I would have thought the sensor would need to run for a few seconds, i.e. the cold start mech would need constant power upon ignition, as it will shut off when temp rises..

2) What the hell is a TCI switch?
In the original wiring thread Golfworx says "It doesn't have the TCI switch in there, as that's very easy to wire in."
Easy is such a relative term LOL!
I noticed a three pronged plug up at the start of the intake manifold is this it? I assume that plug has something to do with controlling the butterflies during cold start?

Kjet Wiring Diagram Link
http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newf...ing#post235615

[Golf Loon]

TCI switch relates to electronic ignition, which hopefully you are running on your car. Its a little rectangular box with 7? connectors that goes to the dissy, the coil and earth and power. You can run kjet with a points dissy, but it has limitations.

Ignition start circuit sends power from the starter when its cranking to the coldstart to chuck more fuel in when starting. If you have the wrong starter you wont have this. You could use a switch if you dont mind the ghetto look

The switch on the throttle boddy is probably the wide open throttle switch. Not used on some kjet cars, depends what throttle body you are using.

The Stu managed to get that setup working, maybe he`d be prepared to help if you get stuck.

Good Luck.

[dub be good to me]

Thanks Loon,
Have got it running since last post (albeit roughly).
It took a couple of days but did some trouble shooting:
1) It was running far too advanced, not wanting to fire
2) Bad starter earth (tested using multimeter) was stopping it turning over fast enough.
The second one was the kicker, lots of theorising about starter match up problems, came back to a simple problem.
+I'm running an old 1.6 starter (so no extra cold start terminal) and had piggy backed the cold start off one of the solinoid wires. This didn't seem to work (wouldn't start) and engine started once removed.

Have electronic ignition, but have been running it with points to simplfy timing etc.. I've wiring already installed (from coil etc) for the elec-ing, but can't locate a TCI switch on the engine (does anyone have a photo?).

P.s - Already been hassling The stu! Thanks stu, owe you a few beers when this is done