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I've been a naughty boy & used the wrong diesel - what do I do now?

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  • #16
    Save a dollar and protect your engine

    Fuel in Australia is contentious, to say the least.

    Early Euro 3 engines without the DPF had one issue injection failure, mostly because many folk were not aware of two fuel types being available,that is 10ppm and 15 ppm,the later is still available at high flow pumps for the older American trucks such as Kenworth,and Sterling.

    Additives such as Redline of which are not an alcohol based additive work well if continuously, used throughout the operating life of the vehicle.

    Redline has two additives one for Winter grade fuels and the other for Summer grade fuels,, the third option from Redline was called a wetter something meant for Alpine fuels to negate water entering into the fuel filter and wax build up due to modified Diesels fuels such as bio-diesel.

    Euro 5 fuels Liqui Moly has a professional DPF re-generator of which many dealerships use, but don't tell the customers, at least not with Benz.
    VW dealerships state the manual and that's it.

    Euro 5 EECV Fuels 2011 onwards for Euro six is not available in Australasia,and therefore as noted in your factory build sheet states as much.

    Straight Diesel fuel from Shell and Caltex, and whats left of the BP outlets is less than 10pp/m in Summer it's closer to 7 pp/m Winter in Australia there lies a problem with Mountain grade Diesel Alpine grade Diesel and the non modified Diesel without a thinner, refereed to as Kerosene, that is nothing more than a paint-stripper originally developed from Mobil Exxon called either Solvo 100 or Solvo 150

    The above will cause many issues with diesel engines if not kept in check, with outside non factory additives to assist in maintaining your engines.

    LIQUI MOLLY is EU certificated and approved for use in both Mercedes and VW engines Daimler AG acknowledges this providing the correct oils are used,in fact many of the preferred and certified oils used prior to 2011 were DE-certificated under license as no longer being capable of holding hi-soot sulphate molecules in suspension for long -term-service intervals.

    Bio fuels are a major problem? more so with stale diesel ,life span three weeks before biocides develop in the fuel tank,fuel filters can gel up in Winter at high alpine regions, highlands, or desert territory plains, with engine temps on cold starts till engine reaches full operating temperatures.

    EGR failures are duel to excess soot contamination build up as a result of UN-burnt fuels. turbo actuator valves will seize up and require maintenance,turbo intakes need to be kept clean including the filer box,especially at the base of the filter vacuum regularly if in a suspect area where gritty dust is prevalent, if used correctly both turbos will benefit and thus reduce a DPF forced regeneration as an end result.

    EGR cleaners are available in two types off the shelf ad for professionals, the latter requires above mechanical experience to operate the additive cleaners Wynn's and Liqui Moly are equal.

    Diesel additives liquid purge add to the tank and direct to the rail, again the latter is for the pros as restarting a Crd, Cdi engine is difficult once the additive has been used,as there are no 12 v high-lift priming pumps past the fuel filter if air has entered the lines leading to the injectors.

    Liqui-Moly has many additives, which one, depends on your best practice for maintaining a diesel engine.
    Cetane ratings 51 Cn many additive have up to 3 to 5 added cetane increases ideally according to Wynn's 55 Cn is required with an added biocide eliminator or if just adding Fuel injector cleaners to fuel to keep the fuel pattern spray even just use Liqui Moly Part number 2786 300 ml per sixty liters for maximum performance every 200 klm.
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    • #17
      Sounds to me like it would be easier to leave the van at home , surely the car manufacturers who rely on fuel to run our cars and the fuel companies who need our cars to make their profits should be all on the same page ?? . If this is the future of motoring I think may need to pass on the experience of modern technology , so many issues with different diesels and petrol these days , why can't manufacturers meet in the middle make all engines regardless run on ONE level RON fuel that would save the poor motorist from being shafted at the pump by huge variations in the fuel prices for each level same for diesel . I thought we were supposed to be now in the smart era this sort of thing should not be happening .

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      • #18
        IMO, the standard of petrol and diesel that leaves Australian fuel terminals is much ado about nothing.

        The formation & build-up of deposits are a fact of life. Its causes are many & varied and is a problem as old as the automobile itself.

        Fuel additives play an important role in the delivery of useable fuels onto the market, but they're no panacea for all such related problems.

        The use of any product and the value it provides need only be justified by the end user. Thus, my advice to consumers is to scrutinise one's justification objectively and dispassionately to avoid disappointment.

        Of course, cases of fuel contamination through external sources or the mishandling of fuel are not unheard of (in any country), but that is a separate and different issue not related to fuel standards.

        Originally posted by Sunny43.5 View Post
        Sounds to me like it would be easier to leave the van at home
        On balance, that would be the greater loss.

        Fill 'er up, don't misfuel, drive more, worry less.
        Last edited by Diesel_vert; 21-04-2014, 01:00 AM.

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        • #19
          i find it funny that some people swear by bp, or shell, or caltex and wouldnt put another brand in it.
          however according to 1] people that work at petrol stations,2] the service station association of australia(yes there is one i called them to ask how servos differ), and 3] the actual servos themselves, diesel does not differ from servo to servo. they all get the same diesel from one supplier and so the only way diesel can be better or worse than another place is the age and condition of the tanks in the ground.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by jfoldbar View Post
            i find it funny that some people swear by bp, or shell, or caltex and wouldnt put another brand in it.
            however according to 1] people that work at petrol stations,2] the service station association of australia(yes there is one i called them to ask how servos differ), and 3] the actual servos themselves, diesel does not differ from servo to servo. they all get the same diesel from one supplier and so the only way diesel can be better or worse than another place is the age and condition of the tanks in the ground.
            What else would you expect that they tell you?
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            • #21
              Well, if asking the suppliers, what's a bet each would say their's is superior
              in some way compared to the others, and say we are paying a fair price.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Syncrotek View Post
                Well, if asking the suppliers, what's a bet each would say their's is superior
                in some way compared to the others, and say we are paying a fair price.
                Fair price for a product that is the first part of the crude oil to fuel process , I am not sure . I think as I said earlier the fuel companies have now recognized the increase in diesel cars on our roads and are going to make hay while the sun shines . Look back over the years and see that diesel was always cheaper by a country mile , now days its as dear a premium unleaded petrol almost . I will agree with Diesel Vert just fill up and drive deal with the issues if they occur , I may bitch and moan but life will go on .
                Last edited by Sunny43.5; 21-04-2014, 12:57 PM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Sunny43.5 View Post
                  Fair price for a product that is the first part of the crude oil to fuel process , I am not sure . I think as I said earlier the fuel companies have now recognized the increase in diesel cars on our roads and are going to make hay while the sun shines . Look back over the years and see that diesel was always cheaper by a country mile , now days its as dear a premium unleaded petrol almost . I will agree with Diesel Vert just fill up and drive deal with the issues if they occur , I may bitch and moan but life will go on .
                  Unfortunately, it's a fact of life that a modern diesel doesn't like short trips from cold where the temp gauge never gets off the ground or constant short trips even when the engine is hot. I've convinced my partner that driving the Scout to drop daughter at the station or to the shops for bread and milk is a bad idea. I ride a bicycle for that, but that's just me. We have a 1980 Hi-Ace campervan that is better suited to such work.

                  She complains that there is no use having a car you can't 'use', but I maintain that we didn't buy a 4wd diesel Skoda for city commutes and shopping trips - a Ford Fiesta would be as economical and more practical (and cheaper to buy!).

                  The DPF light has only illuminated once in the 18 months+ we've had the car (done 25,000km in that time, had 47k when we bought it). It was Christmas shopping for a week, short trips in heavy traffic. We'd only had the car 2 months, so it was cause for real concern on my part ... 'is THIS what I can look forward to???!!!'. I did the regen thing and have not seen the light since. I give it a bootful every time I drive it once it's at op-temp. I try to give it a good run once a fortnight or so. I always feel better after we've had the thing way out on the open roads. I won't use 6th gear until it's running min 2,000rpm.

                  I'll probably go for an additive once I've ascertained the best and safest option - mainly to prevent fungus buildup.
                  Last edited by Skooter; 24-04-2014, 12:11 PM.

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                  • #24
                    The one thing diesels of old had going for them was the fact that every cold start was a top of piston lubricated one cos the fuel is a light oil and that's why they ran forever.
                    Now particulate and economy issues have made the ancillaries they weak link.
                    The old 'tractors' never wore out in one mans lifetime.

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                    • #25
                      Yeah, I wonder what sort of life we can expect from a 103TDI for ex. And I certainly don't want to drive my car to the point where it's tired and using oil, struggling, lost that fantastic whammo that I just love about it. But when is that? 200,000? 300,000? I guess by that time a new car is in order anyway (and governments will probably be legislating as such anyway).

                      I'll gladly live with the extra wear and enjoy the extra fun-factor!!

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                      • #26
                        Both the engine and the DPF have a finite service life.

                        However, assuming the vehicle has been serviced as per the manufacturer's instructions, I can't really envisage engine wear as being the primary reason for selling or scrapping the vehicle.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Skooter View Post
                          Yeah, I wonder what sort of life we can expect from a 103TDI for ex. And I certainly don't want to drive my car to the point where it's tired and using oil, struggling, lost that fantastic whammo that I just love about it. But when is that? 200,000? 300,000?
                          Some cars (if not all of them ) have built in obsolescence and many people these days are buying a new car every 4-5 years or even sooner, from the fear of the expensive repairs. You can expect 200,000km - 250,000km service life from your common rail injectors in your TDI and since they very expensive, you will not want to keep your car much longer than that.

                          I personally don't like to keep my car longer than 10 years or 160,000km.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Kiels3927 View Post
                            I'm getting thoroughly confused as usual.

                            Was a time when I ran my 2007 Comfortline TDI auto pretty much exclusively on Shell. We shop at Coles, their pump is closest & when I travel down the Newell Highway, they seem to have the keenest prices & accessible low flow pumps. However, when I popped the sensor that looks after the particulate filter (I'm a user, not a mechanic these days - can't remember the name), the shop that replaced it & (naturally) did a regen then told me that Shell is too sulphury for the filter & I should use BP & Caltax. Since I've done that (& it hasn't hurt the wallet since the ACCC got into Coles & Woolworths), my around town economy seems to have got a tad excessive & it's maybe half a litre less sharp on the highway. That was 10-12000ks ago.

                            I followed a thread on tuning to a site sponsor, Greg Roles & he said back a few years now:

                            Big fan of Fuel Doctor because it's fluro green. Big fan of Moreys Diesel smoke killer, for it really does what it says as far as reducing soot. Unless the VW dealer has special equipment or actually removes the injectors and ultrasonics them, I suspect all they did was what you can do yourself with a can of LiquiMoly Diesel Purge from Supercheap for about $20. I hear of people charged $200 for the same thing.

                            Running BP or Caltex can largely alleviate the need for such drastic measures in the first place as well.


                            So, I seem to be using the right fuel now, but is Greg's advice to purge the injector system with LiquiMoly Diesel Purge still a good first IA to recover the economy I used to have? I have around 100000 on the clock.

                            Thanks, John

                            Did some 2007 Comfortlines (103's)come with DPF's fitted??
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by asa572 View Post
                              Did some 2007 Comfortlines (103's)come with DPF's fitted??
                              Not that I know of.
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                              • #30
                                I'm getting mightily confused here. Is the issue of having or not having a DPF because mine was an October 2007 delivery & therefore a 2008 according to the spec sheet I downloaded from VW Australia after I ordered the car (issued 6/07)?

                                Also, there's this old thread here: http://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums/...wer-65181.html It seems to suggest that there was one lurking (or some real shyster dealers).

                                Jeez, First it turns out that the dope I got to use BP & Caltax because Shell clags the filter is no longer current (I think). Now you reckon I don't have a DPF, so the regen I was charged for when the sensor went was a phantom. It all gets back to that bugger, Heiko Ertel, who originally told me I had a thing that worked like a catalytic converter in petrol donks.

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