GOLF R Tuned By BPS in Brisbane

[VW Central]

Why would you do that? I would have thought that one of the reasons for doing this would be to showcase the difference between fully customised tunes vs off the shelf ones.

You just need to clearly list which category each tune belongs in.

He was trying to be a smartass by saying only the custom coding companies would be able to produce a tune and all the off the shelf products wouldn't be possible. Normally what happens is you scan the ECU send the details to a server or a person, who then authorises it and sends you the file.

[james928]

Tell me about it but Like you guys we have found you have to use a few products to get the job done properly and we use OLS as well for the more intricate work like RS4 injectors swaps which the other stuff can't do perfectly. Anyway I'll be keen to see how the R goes vs the ones we are doing, to me the stock FMIC is not helping timing top end at all. I can see from your dyno runs you use the dynodynamics properly too. Proper shootout mode and proper Inlet temps - all good

Cheers

Mark

Talking of front mounts, Kevin at Process West (have a look at his gear omg) is willing to set up and make a replacement unit. He needs a donor car for 3-4 days to mock up. Then bring the car back in 5-6 weeks for the fit up. We have been using his Ford stuff for some time and it just beautifully made.

[parso_rex]

The car I'm doing atm is from wollongong actually hmm I wonder if I could twist the owner into an upgrade and one of my own cars is from the place next door to PW and its FMIC is made by Kevin when he was at Hyperflow. Weird world

[Jmac]

I use "off the shelf" Tuning with Superchips, i do however see myself venturing into the custom stuff later perhaps, now lets not forget the "off the shelf stuff started as a standard EEPROM on a car and had all the writing done then live. So they had to start somewhere, they dont just magic themselves. Im all up for the custom stuff and i know James well and he does good stuff and is a geezer. Ill be up for bringin a Superchipped R too when you guys are going to run your thing, also be good to see the comparisons anyway.
Staying tuned, pardon the pun
Jmac

[VW Central]

So when is this Tuner dyno battle day occurring?

[Skitz]

Yep someone set a date so I can get the day off work

[Leb_One]

I got to see this too

[shinygti]

Hi just got my R a week ago and i am looking into tunes and other goodies atm so will be good to come along and see what everyone has and what they are putting out. Might even be keen to be the test car lol

[parso_rex]

I don't know if anyone actually agreed to do any of this in reality. Theres a lot of unknowns and it would be very hard to be consistent or even fair to both sides. The time is takes for the custom tune would be the killer. I don't know about BPS but in my case its not uncommon for the tune to take more than one day some stuff even weeks !!!!. so you'd be working real hard to get it all done in one day. Its not just the usual single ~20 minute Flash job required by the rest..... although of late I wish it was

[VW Central]

I don't know if anyone actually agreed to do any of this in reality. Theres a lot of unknowns and it would be very hard to be consistent or even fair to both sides. The time is takes for the custom tune would be the killer. I don't know about BPS but in my case its not uncommon for the tune to take more than one day some stuff even weeks !!!!. so you'd be working real hard to get it all done in one day. Its not just the usual single ~20 minute Flash job required by the rest..... although of late I wish it was

You in or not?

[james928]

BPS is in;
I have a DYNO that can be used in full shoot out mode, so no fudge factor here. For a full optimisation of a fully stock MED9.5 golf R I would need 2 hours plus ecu read/write time. The reason I asked about the internet connection was to show what the human doing the actual code was capable of. I have never underestimated the abilities of Brisbane based VW/Audi operations. My argument is how people can describe themselves as "tuners" if they cannot carry out the entire operation without the aid of the third parties. I know AMD/REVO/APR/EVO/EVOMS produce very well finished software upgrades. My real argument is let’s see ### or *** actually read the code, import this into a hex editor, translate the map areas. Create the tuned file and re-write the file using tools they have the knowledge to use. Many of the companies don’t even allow the "tuner" the original file in .bin format only.pak or .tun.

I believe that when we do this shootout the results would be very close. You can only turn things up so far before the handle falls off
However the reason I would be happy to do it would be to show vehicle owners that there are real people who can do this. I had the great honour of knowing one of the first ever ECU tuners Mr Geoff Everett of AMD. The first time I saw an emulator being used I was hooked. I have travelled to Germany to learn new software and hardware; I have been all over Asia and Dubai to tune vehicles, ranging for GM to Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche BMW, VW etc. All these vehicle's were tuned using my brain and my software and some information gained over the years.

I have a huge amount of respect for Guy_H I have never meet him but a good customer of mine knows him well. He said he is a top bloke so he must be. As far as I know he has always shown me the same level of respect I have given him. I look forward to meeting him in the flesh.
Let the battle of acronyms begin lol APR v BPS v all the others!!

You know the real winners of this is you the customer, competition makes us all work harder and keener. Now I must get back to the dyno, BMW E46 with MS43 factory ecu, customer has fitted a very large Garrett turbo and 100% larger injectors, oh joy.

[shinygti]

I agree with james928 the winners here are the customers cos of all the tunners hard work and hours they have spent developing their products and time spent with each car we all come out on top

[REXman]

You in or not?

Fully! Is this a classic back track/dropped ball or what?! Lol

[REXman]

I don't know if anyone actually agreed to do any of this in reality. Theres a lot of unknowns and it would be very hard to be consistent or even fair to both sides. The time is takes for the custom tune would be the killer. I don't know about BPS but in my case its not uncommon for the tune to take more than one day some stuff even weeks !!!!. so you'd be working real hard to get it all done in one day. Its not just the usual single ~20 minute Flash job required by the rest..... although of late I wish it was

you would use a base map you have made for an R and then just fine tune it for specific to that engines individual tolerances.

It's would not take weeks, or days. It should take you no more than around 3 hours at tops.

Unless your learning it or don't have a base map in which case then it could take a whole day.

[parso_rex]

This shows me how little you actually know about the Euro stuff seriously if you dont understand something just don't post as though you have some knowledge on the subject. Even with the Subaru stuff I would spend most of the day tuning it - I keep going until I'm satisfied that its right and safely tuned to the customers requirements. If a tune takes an hour that's great if it takes a week so be it. Some are even longer . This particular remap being mentioned is starting from scratch it is not using a 'premade' basemap. I know exactly what is required in order to get the tuning process underway.

Now where in the thread do I indicate that I would participate ? These guys are in QLD for a start . My time is very limited I simply don't have the time unfortunately. Full credit to James though