2.0L 8V Turbos???

[VDUBD]

anyone done it or heard of someone who has? i just want to know if its worth it and how much they had to change to make it turbo.

thanks

[Jarred]

You can get kits from the US.

with/without turbo, incl everything you need, piping, oil return etc etc about 3,500 US from memory. I'll try find you a link.

Or you can buy exhaust mani's (cast) from US and everything else local. I'm unsure what's the go with software.

Also look on vortex, plenty of info there in the engine section.

Here's the link. turns out 2500 US, including everything (bar IC) & software. Only a basic kit with 160Hp, but enough to get you moving. That's on stock internals, probably about 6-7psi. Most probably very safe and easy and cheap option.

http://www.kineticmotorsport.com/products/Kinetic_Motorsport_Stage1_MKIII_2_0L_Turbo_Kit_OBD1-468-136.html

[VDUBD]

You can get kits from the US.

with/without turbo, incl everything you need, piping, oil return etc etc about 3,500 US from memory. I'll try find you a link.

Or you can buy exhaust mani's (cast) from US and everything else local. I'm unsure what's the go with software.

Also look on vortex, plenty of info there in the engine section.

Here's the link. turns out 2500 US, including everything (bar IC) & software. Only a basic kit with 160Hp, but enough to get you moving. That's on stock internals, probably about 6-7psi. Most probably very safe and easy and cheap option.

http://www.kineticmotorsport.com/pro...1-468-136.html

thanks very useful will hav to restrain myself not too buy one haha

[Jarred]

No worries.

It's a cheap kit to get started with IMO.

Disgregarding software complication. A rebuilt motor with 12-13 psi, and a small IC, should be good for 200-220 HP. That, from what I've found is the limit for stock internals. Add some forgies, flowed head, another 10psi and who knows, maybe even 300HP! That'd be nice

Have a search on here too, there was a thread a while back about 8V turbos. Wasn't entirely constructive from memory though.

[peedman]

Problem with any kit from the US is that it is based on the aba which is crossflow whereas ours is not.

[VDUBD]

Problem with any kit from the US is that it is based on the aba which is crossflow whereas ours is not.

how different could it posibly be? the manifolds are the same, the piping could be slightly adjusted. shuld all be ok?

[peedman]

But with the inlet on the same side as the exhaust, our 8v will prob not have enough room ud need a custom manifold. Their chip software is not suited to our ecu so theres something else ull need to sort.

[VDUBD]

But with the inlet on the same side as the exhaust, our 8v will prob not have enough room ud need a custom manifold. Their chip software is not suited to our ecu so theres something else ull need to sort.

o ok, ive seen the manifolds in the US with a 90 degree bend on them which looks like they r suited for our engines. i no the computers aren't the same. ive emailed a few places not long ago concering a quote to do an ecu on it just gta wait for a reply 2moz, if its not too much ill consider it.

[Jarred]

Argh. Forgot about the differences with the US/aus things. Bugger.

[mikinoz]

anyone done it or heard of someone who has? i just want to know if its worth it and how much they had to change to make it turbo.

thanks

I have one in my tdi!

[peedman]

Maybe a lowmount would be more suitable? Itd be interesting in what u find tho and the costs involved!

[Valver.]

The ABA (US-only crossflow 2.0 8v) engine is totally different electrically to a local Mk3, particularly if you work on the premise of OBD2 (which the majority of Aus 2.0 Mk3s are), where the US cars have pre and post-cat 02 sensors, early Mk4 1.8T style t/bodies, Motronic 5.9, no immobiliser, and of course crossflow etc etc.

Basically, the Aus/Euro management is totally different to the US stuff, mainly because of Cali smog control apparently, so you can rule out using a C2 Eprom, which is the one provided by almost all the kits (albeit rebranded in some).

There are very few issues with mechanically bolting on the turbo kits - the generic piping is crap anyway, so you're better off to make your own. Even with the a decent kit down here on your doorstep, there is still 5k of DIY frigging around if you go to a proper aftermarket ECU. 200hp is very easy, though - <380cc injectors are easily fine.

The way to do it is to run ABA injection on your Aus market car, ruling out the need for aftermarket management and all the expense involved (thus also keeping the extremely good OBD diagnostics). I've just got my ABF (16v) running on ABA management after two days of straight wiring work. Quite a labour intensive job on the ABF (which is basically an ABA with a 16v head - hence my logic to run it on the ABA system), but very easy on an ADY or AGG OBD2 8v.

You'd need to change to a VR6 70mm MAF housing and an ABA MAF (trips the air measurement of the ECU to send more fuel for boost - this is an extremely brief explanation anyway!), an OBD2 ABA t/body (manual or auto - auto one simply has one more vac. line) and swap in two ABA spec 02 sensors. Coolant temp sensor range is also different, so a Mk3 ABA one is needed here, too. A few hundred here in secondhand parts and its done. Lengthening the harness to RHD spec is the issue, though - not hard, just **** work!

When I have my wiring tidied over the next few weekends, I intend to post up a DIY on Vortex as I know I'm the first to run an ABF turbo like this Very same principles to turboing a local 8v as well, so this DIY would help a lot.

I've actually made money doing mine by selling two plug-in high-end aftermarket ECUs I'd wired up

[Valver.]

P.S. And you wouldn't bother with the OBD1 ABA injection (even if you have an early 2E 8v Mk3 engine) as the later stuff still plugs in to CE2 electrics.

I spent ages wiring in the early stuff to my car after buying the wrong harness, so have technically done it twice now Good practice, though!!!

Oh yeah, and C2 will map any chip to any application (except massive, well over 300hp things which are outside the realms of a MAPless, MAF-only system), so it is a very nice way of doing it. Can't beat several million bucks of Bosch's development time either

[Jarred]

Thanks for sharing Valver.

That DIY should be a good read.

[peedman]

Im def interested in ur diy for future power chasing. Did u just buy an ecu + loom off vortex and work with that? What about the immobiliser and stuff, didnt obd2 cars in the us come with immobiliser???