What oil are VW dealers putting in your TDI engine?

[Guest001]

The receipt from the recent service of our TDi says 5W/40, just like it did last year

Hope they didnt use it or maybe the muppet that did the receipt couldnt find the correct one in the computer.

The price would give an indication 5w 40 is about $15 less than the correct oil which cost me $83 for 5 L off a stealer According to the list all 504-507 is 5W 30 Also it is the correct oil for a engine with a DPF

[kaanage]

I went and queried them last year after seeing the receipt (I didn't pick up the car either time) and they told me they hadn't updated their computer to the 'new' oil spec. see my posts in this thread - http://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums/...tml#post652131. It's actually 3 years running they've done this.

The recent receipt says Helix Ultra 5W-40 for $61.04 (exGST) but no quantity is listed - looks like I need to pursue it with them again

[Diesel_vert]

Says on the print in the boot that it is suitable and the service guy was keen, as I was, but no go.

Bah! VW are such spoilsports for locking the option!

Pity, as I certainly think it would have made for an interesting experiment.

I went and queried them last year after seeing the receipt (I didn't pick up the car either time) and they told me they hadn't updated their computer to the 'new' oil spec. see my posts in this thread - http://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums/...tml#post652131.

PD TDI or CR TDI engines without DPF require 505.01 (fixed service intervals) or 506.01 (variable service intervals). 507.00 is also acceptable (irrespective of service regime), though not compulsory.

Any TDI engine with a DPF requires 507.00

The oil's viscosity grade isn't that crucial - it's the oil standard that needs to be paid attention to.

The recent receipt says Helix Ultra 5W-40 for $61.04 (exGST) but no quantity is listed

Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 has 502.00/505.00 approval - therefore, it is not suitable for any PD TDI or CR TDI engine.

505.00 can only be used for TDI engines without PD (Pumpe Düse, or unit-injection in English) or CR (common-rail).

It's actually 3 years running they've done this... looks like I need to pursue it with them again

Unless you have reasons not to, I would strongly consider taking your elsewhere for future services.

[Guest001]

I went and queried them last year after seeing the receipt (I didn't pick up the car either time) and they told me they hadn't updated their computer to the 'new' oil spec. see my posts in this thread - http://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums/...tml#post652131. It's actually 3 years running they've done this.

The recent receipt says Helix Ultra 5W-40 for $61.04 (exGST) but no quantity is listed - looks like I need to pursue it with them again

Shell Helix Ultra EXTRA 5W 30 is the correct oil for a DPF engine NOT Helix Ultra which is a 502-505 for NON DPF engines

[Diesel_vert]

Shell Helix Ultra EXTRA 5W 30 is the correct oil for a DPF engine NOT Helix Ultra which is a 502-505 for NON DPF engines

It's not quite as simple as that.

PD TDI and CR TDI engines without a DPF require 505.01 or 506.01

505.00 is not acceptable for these engines.


Note that 507.00 can be used where 505.00, 505.01 or 506.01 is specified (with some exceptions).

[Guest001]

It's not quite as simple as that.

PD TDI and CR TDI engines without a DPF require 505.01 or 506.01

.

Most wouldnt know these engines as they are only in Touaregs and in certain years arent they.
Perhaps we should state the models that each come in for those who dont know

I am trying not to over complicate things as most are referring to Golfs Polos or Passats or the Skoda variants as there are hardly any Touareg owners on here with minor exceptions.

[Transporter]

To make it simple stick with the 504.00/507.00 in everything made after 2000 where only exemption is V10 TDI Touareg and R5 TDI as found in the Touareg and T5 up to 6/2006, because after 6/2006 they had DPF fited and again must use 507.00

[Diesel_vert]

Most wouldnt know these engines as they are only in Touaregs and in certain years arent they.
Perhaps we should state the models that each come in for those who dont know

I am trying not to over complicate things as most are referring to Golfs Polos or Passats or the Skoda variants as there are hardly any Touareg owners on here with minor exceptions.

The Polo 9N (2005-2009), Golf Mk5 (2004-2009), Jetta (2006-2009) and Passat B4 (2006-2009/10) ranges were fitted with PD TDI engines, of which the vast majority were not fitted with with a DPF. Same deal with Skoda.

From 2008/2009 onwards saw the gradual changeover to CR TDI engines, of which the vast majority of were fitted with a DPF.

To make it simple stick with the 504.00/507.00 in everything made after 2000 where only exemption is V10 TDI Touareg and R5 TDI as found in the Touareg and T5 up to 6/2006, because after 6/2006 they had DPF fited and again must use 507.00

I think 504.00/507.00 is not strictly necessary in any engine that doesn't have direct-injection.




EDIT: It's VW's fault for making it so bloody stupid and complicated - don't blame me, I'm just the messenger!

[Guest001]

The Polo 9N (2005-2009), Golf Mk5 (2004-2009), Jetta (2006-2009) and Passat B4 (2006-2009/10) ranges were fitted with PD TDI engines, of which the vast majority were not fitted with with a DPF. Same deal with Skoda.

From 2008/2009 onwards saw the gradual changeover to CR TDI engines, of which the vast majority of were fitted with a DPF.




I think 504.00/507.00 is not strictly necessary in any engine that doesn't have direct-injection.

We could argue forever about this but Transporters post simplifies it so that most would understand.

Basically it doesnt hurt to use the 504-507 oil in any TDI engine except those he mentions.

This makes it nice and simple without going into years and models (which change midyear as well)

Far better to use a top spec Approved oil than think what you maybe can use and do it wrong.

[Diesel_vert]

You said that 505.00 is for engines without a DPF, but that is not strictly correct.

PD TDI and CR TDI engines without a DPF should be using 505.01 or 506.01 or 507.00



And then you said PD TDI engines are mostly relevant for Touareg owners, but that is also not strictly correct.

Many Polo, Golf, Jetta, Passat and Skoda owners (as well as many other models) would be very familiar with the PD TDI engine, most of which were not fitted with a DPF.

These owners should not be using 505.00 in their cars just because they're not fitted with a DPF.

[joel0407]

We could argue forever about this but Transporters post simplifies it so that most would understand.

Basically it doesnt hurt to use the 504-507 oil in any TDI engine except those he mentions.

This makes it nice and simple without going into years and models (which change midyear as well)

Far better to use a top spec Approved oil than think what you maybe can use and do it wrong.

I sort of agree and disagree with this. It's simple but I dont think the 507 oil is higher spec. It's different spec.

I'm far from an expert on this but I know that DPF spec oil is low or no sulfer oil. Sulfer is a lubricant that is either compensated for with other addatives to the oil or by using engine construction (materials or design) that needs less or differnt lubrication.

A few years ago, a higher spec oil meant better oil. These days it might not be better for the motor but better for the enviroment.

Oils ain't Oils.

Happy Days.

[Guest001]

You said that 505.00 is for engines without a DPF, but that is not strictly correct.

PD TDI and CR TDI engines without a DPF should be using 505.01 or 506.01 or 507.00



And then you said PD TDI engines are mostly relevant for Touareg owners, but that is also not strictly correct.

Many Polo, Golf, Jetta, Passat and Skoda owners (as well as many other models) would be very familiar with the PD TDI engine, most of which were not fitted with a DPF.

These owners should not be using 505.00 in their cars just because they're not fitted with a DPF.

Sometimes I wish my keyboard was broken

[Transporter]

I sort of agree and disagree with this. It's simple but I dont think the 507 oil is higher spec. It's different spec.I'm far from an expert on this but I know that DPF spec oil is low or no sulfer oil. Sulfer is a lubricant that is either compensated for with other addatives to the oil or by using engine construction (materials or design) that needs less or differnt lubrication.

A few years ago, a higher spec oil meant better oil. These days it might not be better for the motor but better for the enviroment.

Oils ain't Oils.

Happy Days.

At some point you have to trust to the engine manufacturer. So, when they specify that oil and preffer it, than it's the ideal oil for that engine and trying to use something else could cause the troubles.
The most failed early PD TDI engines are probably in the US, simply becouse they like to always use something else than what the manufacturer specify - many paid a lot more than what they've saved when their engine's valve train was wornout.

Also the emission devices fitted to the engine could have a shorter life with the alternative oils.

[Diesel_vert]

I sort of agree and disagree with this. It's simple but I dont think the 507 oil is higher spec. It's different spec.

I'm far from an expert on this but I know that DPF spec oil is low or no sulfer oil. Sulfer is a lubricant that is either compensated for with other addatives to the oil or by using engine construction (materials or design) that needs less or differnt lubrication.

A few years ago, a higher spec oil meant better oil. These days it might not be better for the motor but better for the enviroment.

Oils ain't Oils.

Happy Days.

504.00/507.00 is indeed a reduced-SAPS lubricant, SAPS being an acronym for Sulphated Ash, Phosphorous & Sulphur, and places limits these. But it is not an ash-free oil.

In terms of fuel, sulphur is an impurity and is not a lubricant per se. Rather, it's the refining process (the removal of sulphur from fuel) that reduces its lubricity, though this is restored with additives at the refinery. However, I'm not sure if this correlates with engine lubricants - I don't think it's much of an issue with synthetic oils.

With significant reductions in sulphur levels in diesel fuel, lubricants no longer need such a high TBN to combat (sulphuric) acid formation as they once did. Having said that, I would not use a reduced-SAPS lubricant unless I had the blessing of the vehicle or engine manufacturer.

Sometimes I wish my keyboard was broken

I'm calling you out on some of the information you've provided, which is incorrect and inaccurate. Nothing personal.

[kaanage]

maybe the muppet that did the receipt couldnt find the correct one in the computer.

I went and queried them last year after seeing the receipt (I didn't pick up the car either time) and they told me they hadn't updated their computer to the 'new' oil spec. It's actually 3 years running they've done this.

The recent receipt says Helix Ultra 5W-40 for $61.04 (exGST) but no quantity is listed - looks like I need to pursue it with them again

Turns out they put in the wrong code on the receipt (yet again) - the guy I spoke to said that as soon as I asked about the oil used for the service.

Unless you have reasons not to, I would strongly consider taking your elsewhere for future services.

We would but I bought one of those dealer extended warranties back when I didn't know what I was doing (ie before I got on to this forum )