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  • #16
    the enviro+ is for T5's with DPF as far as i can tell(ie 507.00 equivalent) which my T5 is not.

    I am still going to use it regardless.
    Oil should not be that critical.
    Last edited by Rebuild; 06-11-2008, 12:21 AM.
    Steve
    04 T5

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    • #17
      Rebuild.

      Oil is very critical in TDi engine.
      However there could be some oils which could pass VW506.01 if submited for testing but we don't know that for sure that's why you should stick with approved oil only.
      You could end up with worn out valve train components, if you use anything else than VW506.01 approved oil in yours before 2006 T5 R5 engine.
      It is your choice what oil you use. You will have nobody else to blame for engine failure and it will be very expensive repair.
      Last edited by Transporter; 06-11-2008, 07:36 AM.
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      • #18
        Yeha just signed up with Penrite today, have all the specs etc you need.
        Cheers
        Jmac
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        • #19
          To add to the above , the service i have experienced already is second to none, they even offer me a reasonable rate for sample testing, i will use the Enviro over the SLX now, ive read the official statement from VGA giving the thumbs up for the Enviro for the diesel and they only recommend the Enviro for the FSi too. Audi and Dub have been famous for being very strict, which is cool with me. HPR5 covers a huge range like the Polo Gti, which im happy about as ive been using it long enough with zero complaints.
          Anyway if you have any Penrite queries i can have them answered
          Cheers
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Jmac View Post
            Anyway if you have any Penrite queries i can have them answered
            Thanks. I've got one:

            Do Penrite have an oil that is approved by VW for both 504/507 AND 506.01 ? This would be suitable for all modern VWs, even the early R5 engines in T5s and Touaregs that Transporter mentioned above.
            2017 MY18 Golf R 7.5 Wolfsburg wagon (boring white) delivered 21 Sep 2017, 2008 Octavia vRS wagon 2.0 TFSI 6M (bright yellow), 2006 T5 Transporter van 2.5 TDI 6M (gone but not forgotten).

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            • #21
              Originally posted by gregozedobe View Post
              Thanks. I've got one:

              Do Penrite have an oil that is approved by VW for both 504/507 AND 506.01 ? This would be suitable for all modern VWs, even the early R5 engines in T5s and Touaregs that Transporter mentioned above.
              Enviro 5W30 has approval

              Originally posted by penriteoil.com.au
              Approved oil for Volkswagen/Audi diesel engines and direct injection petrol engines calling for Longlife III Type (VW 504.00/507.00 approved) engine oils.
              SAE 5W-30, VW 504.00/507.00 ACEA A3/B4/C3
              We use Penrite at work and have had no probs.

              I used another brand name in my Karmann and it played up

              No probs with Penrite though.
              Last edited by phaeton; 09-01-2010, 08:58 AM.
              - Ben

              1961 Karmann Ghia Coupé - 1993 Golf Cabriolet - 2006 Golf Comfortline 1.9L TDI
              2008 Jetta 2.0L FSI

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              • #22
                Phaeton, while your answer is correct, it leaves out the important, relevant information from the TDS, as I believe the 506.01 spec is somewhat unique (ie: it isn't superseded by 507.00)

                INDUSTRY SPECIFICATIONS
                Penrite Enviro Plus 5W-30 meets the performance
                requirements of:
                VW 504.00/507.00 (approved)
                VW 505.01 (2005 update), 506.01
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                • #23
                  Enviro + 5w30 is the only Penrite oil for these engines. Polo Gti Hpr5 is the oil and 2.0fsi again its back to enviro+.
                  Treg depends on engine some are Enviro+ 0W40 which is the R5 engine 06-09 and HPRD5 for the R5 04-06
                  Cheers
                  Jmac
                  Last edited by Jmac; 09-01-2010, 11:15 AM.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by gregozedobe View Post
                    Do Penrite have an oil that is approved by VW for both 504/507 AND 506.01 ? This would be suitable for all modern VWs, even the early R5 engines in T5s and Touaregs that Transporter mentioned above.
                    Unfortunately no oil on the market has or ever had both approvals. It's either "503.00/506.00/506.01" or "504.00/507.00".


                    All diesel vehicles fitted with R5 (5 cylinder) and 5.0ltr V10 engines and manufactured prior to 1 January 2006, cannot use oils meeting Volkswagen standard 507 00 even if equipped with a DPF. These engines should use oils meeting Volkswagen standard 506 01 (eg. Castrol Professional Longtec LongLife II 0W-30) for both LongLife and Time and Distance servicing regimes.
                    To date, Penrite have no oil that is 506.01 approved. But then there are only 25 oils in the world that meet this spec.
                    Last edited by Diesel_vert; 09-01-2010, 12:03 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Thanks for that info guys. There are always discussions about official VW approvals for 506.01 (as opposed to the oil maker claiming their oil "meets/complies/exceeds the standard"). I guess if the VW approval process was cheaper/less complicated more oil manufacturers/blenders would bother to jump through VW's approval hoops.

                      I'm guessing that now that all new VAG TDI engines are designed for VW 507 that there will be less incentive for oil manufacturers/blenders to continue to make 506.01 in the future.

                      Quite a few people believe that VW 507 is OK for the few engines where 506.01 is specified, but if you have an older R5 engine and are a stickler for following the handbook (ie 506.01) your choices are likely to become more and more limited (and probably more and more expensive) as the years pass.
                      Last edited by gregozedobe; 09-01-2010, 01:05 PM.
                      2017 MY18 Golf R 7.5 Wolfsburg wagon (boring white) delivered 21 Sep 2017, 2008 Octavia vRS wagon 2.0 TFSI 6M (bright yellow), 2006 T5 Transporter van 2.5 TDI 6M (gone but not forgotten).

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                      • #26
                        In my T5's owner's manual there is VW505.01 as well as 506.01 (08.2004 made T5 AXE engine).
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Diesel_vert View Post
                          Unfortunately no oil on the market has or ever had both approvals. It's either "503.00/506.00/506.01" or "504.00/507.00".




                          To date, Penrite have no oil that is 506.01 approved. But then there are only 25 oils in the world that meet this spec.
                          HPR Diesel 5 to be used on engines prior to 06 and is 506.00/506.01 only with regards to VW. its alo a global DLD-2/3 which is for the Landie TD5 and the rover TD6.
                          Cheers
                          Jmac
                          Just off the topic a wee bit but looking at the 09 product list here, they have a wide range, lot more than i thought and i see they have been wise to steer away from the Audi CVT.
                          They do Sonax car care products , anyone get any feedback on it????
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                          • #28
                            I'll say this first - NO oil submitted to Volkswagen for certification has ever had approvals for both "503.00/506.00/506.01" and "504.00/507.00". It is always one or the other. And strictly speaking, 506.01 never appears by itself, it is always grouped as above for formally approved oils.

                            Of course, oil makers are free to claim it "meets or exceeds" any oil spec as long as they're confident it would pass, should it undergo the relevant tests.

                            TO DATE, the only Penrite oil that has been formally approved by Volkswagen is Enviro+ 5W-30 and only for "504.00/507.00" (people with warranties, take note).


                            But my main point is - for owners with pre-2006 R5 and V10 TDI engines, this is all moot because since you're no longer under warranty, it won't matter whether or not a particular lubricant has been formally submitted for approval. As long as the oil maker is confident it will "meet or exceed" 506.01, then the onus lies with the oil maker, not Volkswagen anymore.

                            So here goes my theory - if Penrite* are absolutely confident that, if it were to undergo the relevant tests, Enviro+ 5W-30 (or HPR Diesel 5 5W-40) would meet 506.01, then I think it's okay to use it in pre-2006 R5 and V10 TDI engines. They wouldn't print it on the bottle willy-nilly because if the engine were to fail from deficient lubrication, Penrite* would be obliged to repair it (and not Volkswagen, since the warranty has expired). Thoughts?


                            *This also applies to other boutique oils such as Amsoil, Neo Synthetics, Red Line, Royal Purple, etc who are famous for excellent performance yet never submit them for manufacturer approvals.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Transporter View Post
                              In my T5's owner's manual there is VW505.01 as well as 506.01 (08.2004 made T5 AXE engine).
                              Given the problems some early R5 engines had with premature wear on cams/followers I would be only using 506.01 or 507.00, not 505.01 if I had an early (non-DPF) R5 engine. But that is only my opinion, my R5 has a DPF so it is 507.00 only for mine (Late Oct 2006 build BPC engine).
                              2017 MY18 Golf R 7.5 Wolfsburg wagon (boring white) delivered 21 Sep 2017, 2008 Octavia vRS wagon 2.0 TFSI 6M (bright yellow), 2006 T5 Transporter van 2.5 TDI 6M (gone but not forgotten).

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by gregozedobe View Post
                                Given the problems some early R5 engines had with premature wear on cams/followers I would be only using 506.01 or 507.00, not 505.01 if I had an early (non-DPF) R5 engine. But that is only my opinion, my R5 has a DPF so it is 507.00 only for mine (Late Oct 2006 build BPC engine).
                                Yeah, I know Grego,
                                but I have more trust in VW505.01 approved ELF Solaris than any other oil that meets or is made to VW 506.01 or 507.00 specs. (Penrite HPR5 Diesel 5W40 and similar).

                                and should it come to it, that there is no longer VW506.01 oil to buy, we will have to start using 507.00 oils or what I call “a fake” 506.01 oils. In that case I would go with ELF Solaris or Penrite HPR5 Diesel 5W40 and the dose of LiquiMoly MOS2 additive.

                                Generally I’m against additives in oils but in the case of VW R5 engine I use LiquiMoly additive from 64000km on, in my engine. I hope, I never need to prematurely replace the camshaft and rockers.
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